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Old 10-12-2008, 09:39 AM
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tony Gonzalez, the most productive tight end in NFL history, will be traded to a contender if the Kansas City Chiefs get the right price.
ESPN's Michael Smith first reported the fact Gonzalez was to be shopped Saturday.
A league source confirmed to ESPN that Gonzalez went to Chiefs GM Carl Peterson and inquired about a trade to a contender earlier this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3638551
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The Texans should do exactly the same thing if AJ or his agent were to
approach them. And the big difference here is that Gonzalez, great in his prime, at 32 is arguably on the downside of his career while AJ is a full 5 years
younger.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:07 AM
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''Too many big plays,'' coach Tony Sparano said. ``[Johnson] is a hell of a player. I've been watching the same thing for years playing against him, and he did a hell of a job [Sunday].''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/723415.html
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OK, so I said the other day before Sundays game vs the 'Phins I'd trade AJ.
I'd still still trade him, but whatever the price was has just gone up. A lot.
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:28 AM
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I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:23 AM
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AJ is so good there is no way to get enough value for him. I think we will have to live with him.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:40 PM
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So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.
in 2-3 years our defense would be better? because our offense takes the hit immediately.
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Old 10-13-2008, 02:34 PM
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I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

Week 3
386 yards and 27 points

Week 4-5 (when you claim they were less effective with AJ as the feature guy)
438 yards and 28 points


And also take into account that the game when you thought everyone else looked good was a game in which the Jags doubled AJ all game and singled up on all our other guys.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:34 PM
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I'd generally be against trading our best player. Maybe if you got a Herschel Walker type offer I'd consider it, maybe. I guess AJ is a lot happier now and doesn't want to be traded either.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:53 PM
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I think it's far too early for this type of discussion, as intriguing as it may be. The fact is, we're still a very young team with a very young front office and a ridiculous excuse for a defensive coordinator. Don't get me wrong, we're nowhere near "there" yet, obviously; but I've seen us grow a little as a team each week after our embarassing loss vs Pittsburgh. We'll see what the next couple weeks hold, but that comeback on sunday had a different feel to it. Schaub responding the way he did to those 2 early picks was fantastic to see, and we finally saw the defense make a big play down the stretch (of course eugene fumbled it back and we let them walk down the field unimpeded, but the play was made, and the mistake can be fixed). Kevin Walter has grown into a very solid no. 2, as evidenced by his 98 yards to go with AJ's 178. Steve Slaton appears to be at least a short-term answer to the team's running problems with his big play ability, and Mario is getting tougher by the game. Are we going to make the playoffs this year? probably not, but i think we've still got 8-8 in us, and another year in the middle of the pack wouldn't be the worst thing in the world from a draft perspective. At the start of the year everyone was saying we're still a year away, and that's still true. AJ's played out of his head since he made those comments, and I'm glad he made them. I'm sure his comments scared the piss out of the organization, and they'll do whatever they can to make him happy go lucky dre again, again evidenced by his 10 catches on sunday. Winning cures everything, and I think we've got a lot more of them in store. We turned a corner yesterday, fellas. Let's not get crazy and ship off key pieces before we know what the puzzle's gonna look like.
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:14 PM
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The last two games of this year I have seen something from AJ that I didn't see last year. That was his will to fight for the football, to excercise physical dominance over the cornerback if the throw was up for grabs.

Last year he just didn't seem to have it, it was his best season statistically but his spectular catches weren't there. For instance that interception early in the season in the endzone, or letting the browns second stringer take balls away from him when he got back.

This year that nastiness is back, owning Yeremiah Bell, and the previous week taking that ball away from the colts defender in the end zone.

I like it.
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