Bouye nugget

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'm speaking of 2015 which was what the Texans used to decide Ozzie was worth a big wad of money, not 2016 after the money had been spent, hence the comparison.

You think Osweiller had a great half season in 2015?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

You think Osweiller had a great half season in 2015?

Relative to what he did in 2016 it looks pretty good.

[popanot]

Bouye has shown he has more CB talent than Kareem Jackson, is less injury prone (and quite possibly more talented) than Kevin Johnson, and is much younger than the rapidly aging JJo. We still have no idea if Johnson is a player or if he can remain healthy and play a full season, so why not T or F-Tag Bouye and retain him for at least another year and see what happens? Worst case is he falls on his face and we let him walk next year. If it turns out he's great, then make a move next year to sign him long-term and get rid of one or two of the other guys. More than likely JJo is cut in 2018 anyway. Someone is going to pay the guy, so why not us?

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by popanot

Bouye has shown he has more CB talent than Kareem Jackson, is less injury prone (and quite possibly more talented) than Kevin Johnson, and is much younger than the rapidly aging JJo. We still have no idea if Johnson is a player or if he can remain healthy and play a full season, so why not T or F-Tag Bouye and retain him for at least another year and see what happens? Worst case is he falls on his face and we let him walk next year. If it turns out he's great, then make a move next year to sign him long-term and get rid of one or two of the other guys. More than likely JJo is cut in 2018 anyway. Someone is going to pay the guy, so why not us?

It's a great idea until you realize what the top-paid CBs in the league make and what even one year of that does to the salary cap. Should we be paying Bouye the same as Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman, even on a one-year trial?

[popanot]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

It's a great idea until you realize what the top-paid CBs in the league make and what even one year of that does to the salary cap. Should we be paying Bouye the same as Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman, even on a one-year trial?

Yes. Paying a guy that has produced and has shown he might turn into a Revis or Sherman on a 1-yr big $ show me deal doesn't seem all that risky or dumb to me. With the cap going up, we should have the money. Jackson isn't all that good, Johnson hasn't played and can't stay on the field, and JJo is old. If one or more of those guys goes out or declines considerably, which there's a good chance of that occurring based on history, then what? I haven't looked to see who's contracts are up, but I don't think there are any young MUST pay NOW guys so this would be the year to take that gamble, IMO. It just doesn't make sense to me to let what might be your best secondary player walk.

[popanot]

Let me just add, no one knew Sherman - a 5th RD draft pick - would become Sherman until he started proving it on the field. Unfortunately, Bouye took a little longer to show he can play at a high level and our commitment window is shorter than Seattle had with Sherman. Another unfortunate aspect of this is Smith and the coaching staff didn't identify Bouye's potential and sign him to a cap-friendly extended deal in 2015 or 2016. But here we are... With that being said, I'd still rather risk a big money 1-yr show me deal on a young guy than those awful veteran deals like Ed Reed, Ahman Green, and numerous dumb veteran extensions (Carr/Cushing/DomDavis). I fully get the argument for letting him walk, but he's arguably our best CB (he is, IMO) so I'm more inclined to keep him.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

It's a great idea until you realize what the top-paid CBs in the league make and what even one year of that does to the salary cap. Should we be paying Bouye the same as Darrell Revis or Richard Sherman, even on a one-year trial?

That's a tough one because Revis shouldn't make what Revis makes. The guy was terrible a year ago. So Bouye should make a lot more than Revis, but he shouldn't make what Revis makes right now.

[bikerack]

update...

Bouye's agent threatened that they wouldn't sign a long term deal if tagged.

Bouye really want to test the FA market or at least his agent does.