Official Texans vs. Colts Game Thread, 10/16/2016

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Keith

Osweiler has his problems, I'm not blind. Heck, check the last ItB tweet. He played three sucky quarters tonight, and he was trash in Minny against a top quality D.

BUT...

Let's hit the reset on a few hot takezzz here:
- Osweiler ain't cheap, but he is something like the 17th highest paid QB in the league. It's not like the team is paying him a crippling-like salary that, say, the Colts are paying Andrew Luck (per the Indy GM even).
- Yes, Schaub was terrible his last season in Houston, but pre-Haynesworth, he was a pro bowl QB who did alright for himself for many seasons. I still believe the year fat Albert sat on his foot was the team's best chance for a Super Bowl run. Schaub's preceding 16 games to that injury were pretty dang good if someone wants to look that up.

The 16 guys ahead of Osweiler in salary all had significantly more than 7 starts. So do the dozen guys behind him. Only rookies don't get paid at QB in the NFL. So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB. I'd say the two best QB situations in the NFL are having a great one that makes $25 million, or having a rookie plus $20 million worth of other players.

We are in the brutal middle. We are paying for a guy to learn the position. It's better than just punting on the position like last year, and I'm glad we made some commitment finally, it was just a stupid allocation of resources from a team building standpoint.

[Nconroe]

On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.

Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.

So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.

Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.

So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.

If we get out in two years it will be with a new coach, no QB, and little of JJ's prime left, so I won't care how much money we save in cutting our QB in that scenario.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by barrett

So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB.

Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?

I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.

So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Keith

Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?

I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.

So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?

I am not as down on the Osweiler signing as I'm making it sound. It was better than another year of purgatory, and at least this way, we have a chance at it really working out. Of all the FA options, I like Osweiler the best since he at least has an unknown ceiling and some flashes that say that ceiling might be very high.

I just think the current CBA gives a very unique financial (and thus competitive) advantage to any team that can find average QB play from a guy on a rookie contract. There is admittedly a lot of uncertainty in starting a rookie QB, and that is why the best option by far is to pay a proven veteran, even if he is in the Andy Dalton tier. But since everyone knows that, the only time a proven veteran hits the open market is when their are amazing circumstances (like a broken neck and a once in a lifetime prospect landing Manning in FA).

But we opted for the uncertainty of the unproven QB without the financial advantage to offset it. So we don't get either advantage. We pay full price for rookie level inconsistency.

As for what we should have done, you don't have to go Bortles over Clowney. You can just go Carr over Sua' Fio if you aren't afraid of your fan base. Or Garropolo. Or Prescott. Or take one every year until you get it right since the cost is so low in terms of picks and only hind sight tells you which one. If O'Brien can't find a guy in 3 drafts, he's not much of a coach.

My point is if you aren't going to be great at QB the next best option is to be cheap.

And to answer your question about what other option gets us to 4-2, Hoyer/Mallett/Weeden/Yates got us to the playoffs, so I am pretty sure some replacement level NFL QB could have managed to beat the 4 bad/mediocre teams we played and lose ugly to the two good ones. It's not like any of the four wins have come down to great QB play.