Jaguars Offense vs. Texans Offense [Split Thread]

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

I'm not ready to write off Bortles or Yeldon at this point or say their ceiling is this or that. I think they'd be even better with a good OL and coaching staff (and D). I'm not going to anoint Cousins as great, but I think his improvement shows that guys can grow and improve when you get experience and add in a good mix of players, protect well, and have a decent scheme/coaching staff (and also a decent D that doesn't kill you in score and field position). I also don't think Allen Robinson is that far off from Nuk, and Hurns is a major upgrade to Washington. I also like Greene over Shorts. I like what I see so far from Strong and hope he continues to develop. If so, I'll gladly change my mind on a WR swap.

I think Bortles is much more likely to make a jump than Yelden. RBs just don't really improve. They are either good or not. Yelden is just a guy. There is just so much cheap/free depth at that position.

Bortles shows every skill you need but two; (1) decision making, and (2) accuracy. In terms of decision making, he has thrown some of the worst and most head scratching interceptions I've ever seen. However, this is an area he can improve, and it is an area that pretty much every NFL QB improves in as they get more experience and get to know an offense better. He has already improved here a lot in his 2 years (even though he threw more INTs this year than last year). But accuracy generally doesn't improve. QBs may raise their completion percentage a bit by knowing better where to throw it, but they almost never get better at their ability to throw it where they want. Bortles was a 58% passer this year. That puts him 31st among QBs and just behind Colin Kaepernick. just doesn't cut it in the current NFL. He just doesn't throw it where he wants to like a really good NFL QB. So I think the unflappable attitude, the arm, the athleticism, the solid group of WRs, and the improvement he's already shown will be somewhat offset by the inaccuracy, and he has the potential to be a good QB but never close to a great one. And I only think he becomes a good one if the Jags suddenly become a competent coaching staff. I would bet money that doesn't happen and instead a new coach is there a year from now with a new system and a future not tied to Bortles. I'd be surprised if he's a full time starter in 2018.

[barrett]

The Jags are garbage. Anyone who was fooled by the fact they have lots of high draft picks that are also young, let this be a reminder that they are awful. The TDs Bortles threw against air while trailing by 30 in the 4th quarter are vintage Bortles. He will do that enough to throw for 4000 yards and 30 TDs and convince people they are ready to take the 'jump'. They play no defense. Their HC is bad. Their QB is bad. They will stay bad for a while.

We have plenty of issues in our Franchise, and yet we are football geniuses next to them.

[chuck]

Bortles is a slightly less stupid and possibly less talented Tebow.

Let us not gloat, as we are saddled with the NFL version of Bambi.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Bortles is a slightly less stupid and possibly less talented Tebow.

Let us not gloat, as we are saddled with the NFL version of Bambi.

Saddled is the key word. Like I said when this thread was active, the only thing worse than being bad is being bad and committed. And we are bad at QB and we are committed to him. Our only hope at QB improvement is Brock getting better.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

Saddled is the key word. Like I said when this thread was active, the only thing worse than being bad is being bad and committed. And we are bad at QB and we are committed to him. Our only hope at QB improvement is Brock getting better.

Did we screw up big-time with the FA acquisition of BO ? It sure is looking that way, but it's still better than giving up numerous Draft picks including multiple first round picks like some teams do and have their young QB bust.
And it's guaranteed money for just 2 years and we could actually bail on BO even before then if we elected to do so. Don't go wobbly on me Barrret, it's not the end of the world.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Did we screw up big-time with the FA acquisition of BO ? It sure is looking that way, but it's still better than giving up numerous Draft picks including multiple first round picks like some teams do and have their young QB bust.
And it's guaranteed money for just 2 years and we could actually bail on BO even before then if we elected to do so. Don't go wobbly on me Barrret, it's not the end of the world.

Being smarter than the stupid teams that mortgage the future for a QB gets you mediocre. We are already there. And I really don't see how wasting 2 years and a coach on Brock is somehow okay, since we won't waste a 3rd year. Maybe we should have spent more effort evaluating him and less figuring out how to hurt ourselves the least when we screwed up. Or maybe we should have even let the HC meet him.

[barrett]

One last gratuitous shot for this argument. A quote from PFT...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-stat-padding/

Yes, Bortles’ stat line looks good: He completed 33 of 54 passes for 337 yards, with three touchdowns. But Bortles padded those stats with a second-half performance against a Titans defense that was happy to let the Jaguars march down the field with time-consuming drives.

Take a look at the first half stats and you see the truth about Bortles’ game: In the first half, Bortles was 8-for-16 for 64 yards, and the Jaguars trailed 27-0 at halftime.
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And it wasn’t just last night. It’s been that way for Bortles throughout his career. Check out Bortles’ career stats by quarter:

First quarter: 1,598 yards, 4 touchdowns
Second quarter: 2,356 yards, 15 touchdowns
Third quarter: 1,912 yards, 13 touchdowns
Fourth quarter: 3,364 yards 26 touchdowns

Bortles puts up huge stats in the fourth quarters of games. Now, if Bortles were doing that while leading fourth-quarter comeback wins, it would be one thing. But the Jaguars are 10-26 in Bortles’ 36 career starts, and Bortles has engineered just five game-winning drives in his three NFL seasons.

I'll still take Hopkins over the entire Jacksonville skill group, even if BO is doing his best to ruin Hopkins (when Weeded/Yates/Hoyer/Mallett couldn't).

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

Being smarter than the stupid teams that mortgage the future for a QB gets you mediocre. We are already there. And I really don't see how wasting 2 years and a coach on Brock is somehow okay, since we won't waste a 3rd year. Maybe we should have spent more effort evaluating him and less figuring out how to hurt ourselves the least when we screwed up. Or maybe we should have even let the HC meet him.

Did not say it was OK, but I do say spending McNairs money is better than using Draft picks on an untested QB. It's not your money or my money, Bob McNair is a billionaire so what's a few tens of millions for a QB even if he busts.
We still have all of our Draft picks intact and if we wanted we could use our first round pick on a QB in the 2017 Draft. On the other hand a team like the LA Rams can't do that since they've invested several several years of first round picks on some guy named Goff who might not be an NFL QB.
It's looking like you are right in saying that the Texans failed in their evaluation of BO, but atleast they tried to upgrade the QB position.