Official Texans @ Bengals Game Thread, 11/16/2015

[barrett]

Originally Posted by barrett

I think JJ Watt is probably giving Dalton flashbacks already. If not for the 2 playoff games we stomped him in, Dalton would be a top 10 QB with about $30 million more in guaranteed money.

I don't think we'll win this game because we are not good at football. But I don't think Cincinnati is 8-0 level good.

I was right that we own Dalton. I was wrong that we would get beat. I didn't account for TJ Yates.

[Big Texas]

3 things I've learned that I already knew about this defense...LOL

1. The defense is better without Clowney
2. KJohnson is better than KJack
3. Charles James is better than expected

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

3 things I've learned that I already knew about this defense...LOL

1. The defense is better without Clowney
2. KJohnson is better than KJack
3. Charles James is better than expected

All true. James is a real football player who makes a positive difference all over the field. And we know who didn't want him initially. My thoughts on Rick Smith are well known (and not too divergent from the consensus) but BOB is obviously no genius with personnel decisions.

It is incredible that the Texans (or any other team) can win with 80 yards rushing and its "feature" back averaging fewer than two yards per carry.

Frankly, it's amazing any time the Texans win, period. I would say that at this point in the season it's amazing for the Texans to knock off a previously undefeated team but let's be serious, we're talking about the Bengals. And the Bengals suddenly found themselves confronting the indomitable TJ YATES.

[barrett]

Mercilous is much better than Clowney. It's been obvious in every game Clowney didn't play. If Clowney wasn't a 1st round pick he'd be gone already because his play does not justify him having a job, let alone starting.

Honestly, he may drag down the rest of the D. Football is an emotional sport, especially defense. These guys really convince themselves they are going to war together (they are not by the way). When a guy is getting playing time who doesn't deserve it, it messes with the emotions of the team. You can't go out and play for each other when a guy is getting special treatment. That's what happened with Kaepernick in SF the last few weeks.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

Mercilous is much better than Clowney. It's been obvious in every game Clowney didn't play. If Clowney wasn't a 1st round pick he'd be gone already because his play does not justify him having a job, let alone starting.

Honestly, he may drag down the rest of the D. Football is an emotional sport, especially defense. These guys really convince themselves they are going to war together (they are not by the way). When a guy is getting playing time who doesn't deserve it, it messes with the emotions of the team. You can't go out and play for each other when a guy is getting special treatment. That's what happened with Kaepernick in SF the last few weeks.

You are advocating dismissing a first overall pick. Incredible. And what's even more incredible, you may not be wrong.

Good thing they nailed it with Sua-Filo; takes the sting out of missing on the number one overall (again).

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

You are advocating dismissing a first overall pick. Incredible. And what's even more incredible, you may not be wrong.

Good thing they nailed it with Sua-Filo; takes the sting out of missing on the number one overall (again).

I'm not saying cut him, I'm saying if there were no names on the back of the jerseys he'd already be cut.

We can't cut him because of what we spent on him, so instead we will force him into the lineup and try to pretend we didn't screw up.

The Sua-Filo/Carr decision is somehow worse than drafting the worst #1 overall ever. Those are two franchise killing decisions in the same weekend by a guy who is still employed and making decisions for us.

[barrett]

And even though I know that about Smith and McNair, and I know our franchise is doomed while those two remain, a game like tonight has me caring again what happens in the next 7 weeks.

[barrett]

And one final comment, it was a good weekend for backup QBs in the city of Houston. Go Coogs!

[Nconroe]

Seems we got no. 1 draft pick right this year.

And our record tied with Colts, so who knows , maybe Texans have turned the corner. Defense looks very good.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

And even though I know that about Smith and McNair, and I know our franchise is doomed while those two remain, a game like tonight has me caring again what happens in the next 7 weeks.

Dude.

The funny thing is the team will make a run at the playoffs. They might well win the division. And if they don't they could quite possibly find themselves in the wild card hunt. The Texans could very well be a playoff team this year. (Let that sink in for a second...)

And once the year's over the team will resolve the conflict between BOB and Smith. And anyone who's payed attention to the Texans for more than fifteen minutes knows who's going to win that skirmish.

So 2016 will come around with no quarterback, no running back, fk, I'm not going to go into the team's deficiencies, we all know them - but no quarterback and no head coach. The Texans are going to go into 2016 with no quarterback and no head coach.

[HPF Bob]

For the record, it was Quentin Demps that forced the game-clinching funble and then dove back to make the recovery. K-John just was there to wrap up the receiver.

We were actually getting stops on 3rd down tonight (the broadcasters kept bringing that up) and I attribute that to K-Jack not being on the field. Now if we can find an upgrade for Eddie Unpleasant, we might finish a game with less than 10 penalties and 10 blown coverages.

But, overall, you have to say the T.J. Yates jinx bit Cincy again. The Steelers should be calling Smith shortly. If they would toss Landry Jones into the deal, I would be ecstatic.

There is speculation that the concussion protocol observer is the one who yanked Hoyer from the game, not somebody on the Texans and you could see Hoyer arguing with the assistant coaches that he was fine as he was walking off the field. There was nothing after that last possession that suggested Hoyer was any more loopy than he usually is.

Which brings us to another discussion - would the concussion protocol observer do that if it were Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Or were the Texans simply dissed again by the NFL as Houston QBs are the most abused quarterbacks in the league, from Carr to Schaub to Hoyer without ever drawing flags for the hits they take.

I know exactly what Belichick would do if Brady were removed like that - he'd bring Garofolo back into the locker room and make them switch jerseys so Brady could still play.

[barrett]

That concussion observer might be the true MVP tonight.

[chuck]

LOL at Bob getting indignant over a perceived (by him) slight in a Texans win. Fme, he's worse than I am.

AND he's a federal employee. So if there was ever any confusion now there's none. Bob is a ludicrous hypocrite.

Oye, Berto, como se siente ser un payaso tan risible, cha? K bulto ere mopri, webao.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by chuck

LOL at Bob getting indignant over a perceived (by him) slight in a Texans win. Fme, he's worse than I am.

AND he's a federal employee. So if there was ever any confusion now there's none. Bob is a ludicrous hypocrite.

Oye, Berto, como se siente ser un payaso tan risible, cha? K bulto ere mopri, webao.

C'mon now the Chuckster should be giving it up for those Rick Smith Drafts this morning. That great defensive effort and performance last night was led by this years top 2 picks, Kevin Johnson and Bernard McKinney. And the X-man not only started last nights game, I think he may have taken every snap at LG. And even TE Fido caught a couple passes.
I'm thrilled that we still have a 2015 season because I thought it was all over before last night in Cinci. Of course Indy will still probably win the division again, but after last night I'm given us a punchers chance. We got something to root for now and another big game Sunday when the Jets come to town. First place Houston Texans !

[Arky]

Just an all around fine effort by defense. Demps knocking the ball out of AJ Green's hands and then diving for the fumble showed some want-to that has been sorely missing.

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If you watch the replay of the deep pass INT by JJo, you'll see Demps in the area, KJo arriving shortly and then Cushing is the next player to show up....

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I had my doubts, but McKinney is starting to look like a keeper...

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Loved TJ's guts for taking over the offense with minimum training but got to admit some of his passes had me a little nervous..... Hoping that Hoyer's concussion is a misdiagnosis and he will be ready to go against the Jets....

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Early bird line has the Jets as 2.5 pt favorites over the Texans.

[HPF Bob]

Not sure how my employment became part of the discussion or why it is relevant. Technically, I'm a contractor who works for the federal government so I guess I could be labelled a psuedofed. I didn't want to be one but it's the place God led me to after a year's unemployment.

Yo soy el humilde servidor de mi Salvador por lo que, naturalmente, se me acusa de ser un hipócrita y necio , así como mi Salvador fue a la gente de su tiempo.

[WMH]

I was happy with 2 things:

I wanted to stay up and watch the 4th quarter.
The D played as I thought they would this year.

Hope both trends continue for the last 7 games.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

And even TE Fido caught a couple passes.

I had to go to Wikipedia to look up what the hell a Tight End is.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by WMH

I was happy with 2 things:

I wanted to stay up and watch the 4th quarter.
The D played as I thought they would this year.

Hope both trends continue for the last 7 games.

My next wish is to see the Oline play up to my expectations.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

My next wish is to see the Oline play up to my expectations.

That's a pretty good one. Also think the RB's are making them look crappier than they are. One thing that made Foster special was his vision and ability to see the cutback lanes. Don't think our current guys do that with much consistency. When a RB runs straight into a pile, easy to blame OL for lack of a hole. When a RB bounces thru a cutback, easy to give too much credit to the OL.