Clowney to IR, Ending His Rookie Season

[Keith]

Originally Posted by barrett

I think Bob takes door number 2 every time.

I don't always quote posts out of context.
But when I do, I make sure sodomy is implied.

Originally Posted by chuck

it pleases me that Luhnow is a league-wide pariah.

There was this Business Week article awhile back about the Astros, talking about Luhnow with the Cardinals before he came to Houston, where this was mentioned, which I enjoyed to no end:

But the people running the Cardinals’ old system resented the bespectacled interloper with his MBA and ideas about how they could do their jobs better. Behind his back, they referred to Luhnow as “Harry Potter”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ets-data-reign

That said, I'm a Moneyball lover, so I find the Astros interesting at least.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

I don't always quote posts out of context.
But when I do, I make sure sodomy is implied.

Awesome. Which Bob are we talking about, now?

I agree totally with barrett. McNair is far more interested in the accoutrements of owning a team than he is in winning. Would he like to win? Sure he would. Is he laser focused on winning with everything else distantly secondary? Hell no. That's why I think the team needs a head coach who has the stature and/or personality to work in a different hemisphere to where the owner is. And they certainly need a competent general manager. Every team needs a competent general manager, of course, but the Texans need one pretty desperately.

Yes, Bob, obviously I am the same poster. I announced very loudly over there that I would no longer be a fan of the Astros due to the league change. I'm not interested in being a fan of a team that is the MLB's prison bitch. Also, there, like here, my name is chuck. Chuck is who I am in real life. I use chuck here and there because this is not exactly who I am in real life. I mean, who I am here (and there) is mostly me, but these are message boards filled with a bunch of dumbasses like me and you arguing over idiotic things that don't really matter. And I'm playing a role. I suspect you are too in your own way. I mean everything I say here, of course; I just allow myself a certain latitude.

Arky, yeah, I agree with you on the mentor. As far fandom is concerned I can handle losing and remain a fan. I was an Astros fan for nearly half a century after all. The league switch is an insult that I just can't overcome. A lot of people can. Good for them I guess. But I can't.

[HPF Bob]

You certainly have my respect on that Chuck (or chuck, or possibly "illegal chuck" if you use it beyond five yards); regarding the league switch, that is. No greater an abomination has been done to baseball since the "color barrier" was imposed. I can't wait for Selig to die just so I can urinate on his grave or crypt or urn or whatever he's kept in for eternity. You can choose door number two on that one, should you like.

Y'all may be right about McNair. It doesn't sound like there is an Heir McNair that wants to take over when McNair passes on so at some point in the future the Texans will be sold and the choices will either be some oil patch cowboy who wants to win big but hires a bunch of buffoonish yes men to run the front office or it will be some corporate consortium that will make every decision by consensus and how much money could be saved if they just stripped out all the "luxuries" from the stadium such as hot water heaters for the showers and expensive video screens.

[chuck]

I'll meet you in Milwaukee when the time comes.

I always thought Cal would take over eventually. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll run the team like that drunken clown in Indy, in other words well. Although the two other possible scenarios you present are more likely.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I'll meet you in Milwaukee when the time comes.

I always thought Cal would take over eventually. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll run the team like that drunken clown in Indy, in other words well. Although the two other possible scenarios you present are more likely.

The drunken clown in Indy does only one thing well, he stinks at the right time. His 2 losing seasons have netted him what will likely amount to 3+ decades of HOF QB play. When you are that lucky you can drive around high with bags of cash while tweeting stupid stuff and still be a great owner. Your GM can trade 1st round picks for league worst RBs and still be great. And your HC can miss the whole season and win COY. That is what stumbling on a great QB will do for you.

[popanot]

One man's perspective of what Clowney will go through:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ey-is-screwed/

[Keith]

Update on Clowney:

"Hopefully he'll be able to get out on the field sometime during training camp," head coach Bill O'Brien said in a Monday morning NFL Network interview with Tiffany Blackmon. "Maybe at the beginning of training camp if he continues to work at the pace that he's been working."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...a-c48fdd079395

Hopefully this means he is not rushing back, and hopefully this is not more inaccurate medical evaluations from the team.

Even if you are a 'wait and see' camper like me, this isn't at least bad news about his progress.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by Keith

Update on Clowney:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...a-c48fdd079395

Hopefully this means he is not rushing back, and hopefully this is not more inaccurate medical evaluations from the team.

Even if you are a 'wait and see' camper like me, this isn't at least bad news about his progress.

I don't fault faster recoveries; only slow ones or misdiagnoses.

[Arky]

Clowney seems to be a likable enough fella and I do believe he sincerely wants to earn his check and carry his weight. Sounds like this type of injury/rehab is a toughie to overcome, though.....

[Warren]

O'Brien on another DL who was injured as a rookie:

"I have not seen Louis Nix," O'Brien said. "I don't know. He’s working out somewhere in Florida I guess. Haven’t seen him. But that’s their prerogative, so don’t read anything into that. When they show back up here for the offseason program, especially the younger players, the younger players need to be ready to roll. So hopefully he’s ready to go."

I asked what he needs to see change from last season in Nix.

"I would say the ability to make it through a practice," O'Brien said. "That would be the biggest thing I need to see."

Nah, we shouldn't read anything at all into that...

Speaking of the D-line, I was listening to the team's podcast today and they were saying not to rule out a return by Ryan Pickett. He hasn't officially retired, has been working out, and has made his permanent home in the area (his wife is from Missouri City). He definitely made a difference last year. A NT rotation of Wilfork (who will also see some time at DE), Pickett, and Nix would be pretty strong. The two vets would be able to stay fresh with Nix's role limited unless he earns a bigger one or one of the older guys gets hurt.

[HPF Bob]

I'm thinking Nix ate his bonus check and that, to him, is "working out".

[WMH]

From PFT:

Jadeveon Clowney: I’m making progress, and I’m very encouraged
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 28, 2015, 6:58 PM EDT

Getty ImagesJadeveon Clowney, the No. 1 overall pick in last year’s draft whose rookie season was cut short by a serious knee injury, says he’s doing well in his recovery.

Clowney declined to say how soon he might be back to 100 percent after microfrature surgery, but he is trending in the right direction.

“I’m not going to speak on that, but I’m making progress, and I’m very encouraged,” Clowney told the Houston Chronicle. “I’m working hard, but we’re not going to rush it.”

Clowney says he’s working harder now than he did when he was practicing last season.

“Rehab is tough, tougher than playing. You have to get there earlier than everybody and leave later than everybody,” he said.

Microfracture surgery is serious business, and some athletes never come all the way back from it. The Texans have to hope all of Clowney’s hard work pays off, and that his health allows him to live up to his enormous talent.

[barrett]

I am encouraged he is working hard.

I am also not surprised by his comments about the work involved. He mentions working out 4-5 hours in rehab and how it's harder than football because he has to come in early and stay late. I am guessing this is the first time in his life he has ever come in early or stayed late for anything.

Maybe he will add some work ethic through this whole thing to help offset the inevitable loss of explosion.

[Warren]

Good article on microfracture surgery

Travis Kelce bounced back nicely after the surgery fwiw.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Warren

Good article on microfracture surgery

Travis Kelce bounced back nicely after the surgery fwiw.

From what I have read, Clowney's surgery was a bit more involved because they removed most of his medial meniscus due to the prior surgery failing to repair it properly. Your meniscus is like the shock absorber between the femur and the tibula, so you can try to imagine not having one and living a normal life..... playing a high contact sport is going to be a REAL challenge, if at all even possible.

There is another forum that has a MD (an orthopod I believe) as a member and it was covered pretty extensively.

I would be shocked if we didn't draft an OLB,( or two) in the first three rounds.