If Kubiak Goes, Who to Hire?

[Keith]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I would look at Zimmerman from Cincy

Potential HC hires is worthy of a separate thread, but I would not be in favor of hiring Zimmerman. Like Wade and Dom, a guy who is at his best as the DC.

And if the Texans hire a defensive guy to be the HC, they better darn well hire a really strong OC to go with him. Because of this, I might lean again toward an OC-type as the next HC... seems easier to plug-n-play the DCs in the league nowadays. A new HC is going to bring a new QB... they're going to be here 3+ years. I don't want another Dom+Carr type pairing starting off.

Edit - ok, just making this a new thread.
Wade would probably be a strongly considered candidate if he wanted the job, but hiring him would make the OC hire super important.

[HPF Bob]

The Chargers and Raiders both grabbed Broncos coordinators but the truth is that Manning is the unofficial O-coord and the real O-coord could win blindfolded. You are going to hear his name (Gase) mentioned but I'd stay away unless Manning comes with him.

The one guy out there I'd drop everything for is Bill Cowher but I doubt he's interested. Maybe there's a third Harbaugh somewhere.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The Chargers and Raiders both grabbed Broncos coordinators but the truth is that Manning is the unofficial O-coord and the real O-coord could win blindfolded. You are going to hear his name (Gase) mentioned but I'd stay away unless Manning comes with him.

The one guy out there I'd drop everything for is Bill Cowher but I doubt he's interested. Maybe there's a third Harbaugh somewhere.

Sumlin. Or Gruden if you can't get Sumlin. A guy known for QBs and offense either way.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

A guy known for QBs and offense either way.

Hmmmmm. That sounds familiar.....

[WMH]

Unsurprisingly, a ringing endorsement from Uncle Bob.

@MarkBermanFox26: Bob McNair on Gary Kubiak:"How can anybody get a team playing harder than this team was playing. I don't know how anybody can criticize him"

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

Unsurprisingly, a ringing endorsement from Uncle Bob.

@MarkBermanFox26: Bob McNair on Gary Kubiak:"How can anybody get a team playing harder than this team was playing. I don't know how anybody can criticize him"

I saw that quote and could not believe it. How do you say before the season this is the most talented team we've ever had, and then after we lose our 5TH straight, you say, "We played hard." Pathetic.

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by WMH

Unsurprisingly, a ringing endorsement from Uncle Bob.

@MarkBermanFox26: Bob McNair on Gary Kubiak:"How can anybody get a team playing harder than this team was playing. I don't know how anybody can criticize him"

Originally Posted by barrett

I saw that quote and could not believe it. How do you say before the season this is the most talented team we've ever had, and then after we lose our 5TH straight, you say, "We played hard." Pathetic.

Hope he was not serious. I mean when does he say enough? I know he would never stand for one of his employees in his businesses failing to deliver this badly.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by BigBull

Hope he was not serious. I mean when does he say enough? I know he would never stand for one of his employees in his businesses failing to deliver this badly.

I think you guys are under the impression that Uncle Bob knows football. He doesn't, and has never given us any reason to think otherwise.

He thought he had a good football team because he reads the news. Hell, everyone thought we had a good team, myself included. Who'd a thought Matt would regress to the point to being an actual issue for this team. We all figured he'd regress, but not to the point we have seen.

Uncle Bob is a businessman, plain and simple. He's been pretty successful too. Very few franchises will fire thier HC one year removed from two consectutive Division Titles + a playoff win in each one. On paper, that's success. And while we all want more, Uncle Bob included as that's good for business, he's never proven anything other than taking a conservative/cautious approach to every move he's made.

And that's why the staff will likely stay in place next year.

[HPF Bob]

I think McNair is saying what he ought to say *for public consumption*. It's only mid-season. He doesn't want to throw in the towel yet or fans will stop coming and paying outrageous stadium prices. Changes like coaching staff and key players are for after the season when he's not trying to sell a product.

He may have an entirely different view behind closed doors but he's going to save that opinion for Rick Smith and members of his board like he's supposed to. If there's an ass-chewing to be done, that will be the proper audience, not on Twitter or in the media.

Think of it another way. We played within one point of an undefeated club in their house with no Schaub, no Foster and no Cushing. Keenum gave a credible performance. There are positives to take away from this game which might be foundational for whatever rebuild is to come.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by WMH

Very few franchises will fire thier HC one year removed from two consectutive Division Titles + a playoff win in each one. On paper, that's success. And while we all want more, Uncle Bob included as that's good for business, he's never proven anything other than taking a conservative/cautious approach to every move he's made.

And that's why the staff will likely stay in place next year.

That's how I see it, depending of course on what happens the rest of the year. If we end up, oh I dunno, maybe 3-13 then all bets are off but the schedule is gonna moderate somewhat in coming weeks though it's not easy.
Now don't know about the staff remaining intact, after all they gotta find a scapegoat or two to throw to the wolves after the season is over. But it should still be a very interesting offseason, though maybe not what we had in mind or what we were hoping for.

[popanot]

Whoever it is, please DO NOT let it be Leslie Frazier. That guy makes Kubiak look like the second coming of Lombardi.

[Roy P]

Jay Gruden, Marty Mornenwheg, Scott Linehan, Mike Sherman, Brian Billick...anyone?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Jay Gruden, Marty Mornenwheg, Scott Linehan, Mike Sherman, Brian Billick...anyone?

Gruden - short list
Mornenwheg - maybe
No for the rest...

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Jay Gruden, Marty Mornenwheg, Scott Linehan, Mike Sherman, Brian Billick...anyone?

Out of these I like Gruden the best. I actually like another bangles coach Hue Jackson better I thought he got a raw deal with the raiders.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by BigBull

Out of these I like Gruden the best. I actually like another bangles coach Hue Jackson better I thought he got a raw deal with the raiders.

Ummm. That's the dude that gave 2 1's for Carson Palmer when he was bidding against nobody. Granted different kind of role here, but that shows his intellect. Good desire to try to win vs. Being a dumbass is not a good situation.

I'd rather keep Kubiak over Jackson.

[nunusguy]

I dunno, I heard Lane Kiffin is available ?

[Keith]

Jay Gruden gives me a Kubiak 2.0 feel... don't like it.

What's up with Billick? Of the ones Roy listed, that one had me the most interested.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

Jay Gruden gives me a Kubiak 2.0 feel... don't like it.

What's up with Billick? Of the ones Roy listed, that one had me the most interested.

My reservations of Billick has to do with him being out of the game a while,he was fired in 2007, his offense sucked while in Baltimore even though he was the supposed architect of the 2nd greatest offense in NFL history, and he is Brian Billick, bad TV commentator.

( IMO Minnesota's offense was great, but I still think the Rams offense was better. )

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by WMH

Ummm. That's the dude that gave 2 1's for Carson Palmer when he was bidding against nobody. Granted different kind of role here, but that shows his intellect. Good desire to try to win vs. Being a dumbass is not a good situation.

I'd rather keep Kubiak over Jackson.

I forgot that Campbell got injured that year and they traded for Palmer. I still like him better than any other option brought up here yet.
In 2010, under Jackson’s guidance, the Raiders offense finished fourth in the AFC and sixth in the NFL in scoring (25.6 points per game) also finished fifth in the AFC and 10th in the NFL in total offense (354.6 yards per game) and second in the NFL and AFC in rushing (155.9 yards per game). The Raiders more than doubled their scoring output from the previous year, totaling 410 points.