I'm done with Kubiak and Schaub. They need to go

[painekiller]

I am sick and tired of watching Kubiak get a lead and then taking his foot off the gas and letting the other team back into games.

And Matt Schaub has made bone headed throw after bone headed throw. I am tired of defending them.

They need to be replaced by next season.

[Big Texas]

Shaub needs to be replaced now

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am sick and tired of watching Kubiak get a lead and then taking his foot off the gas and letting the other team back into games.

And Matt Schaub has made bone headed throw after bone headed throw. I am tired of defending them.

They need to be replaced by next season.

On Houston's 3 and out with the 20-13 lead we called 3 straight pass plays. In the 2nd half with a lead the whole time we called 11 passes and 9 runs before the drive with the pick 6. We ran the same offense and called the same plays in the 2nd half. Kubiak did nothing to cost us this game. He had his guys more than ready to start the game for the first time all year. He mixed up the play calling beautifully against the league's best defense. And then Matt Schaub throws it to the other team. That is 3 games in a row Schaub has thrown a TD for the other guys.

Kubiak cannot make the plays for these guys. He can't make Ben Tate hold onto the ball (and prepare for him to get burried like last year). This team is broken and Matt Schaub is what needs to be fixed. It is amazing Kubiak has gotten 2 division titles and a pair of playoff wins out of our brutal QB play.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

On Houston's 3 and out with the 20-13 lead we called 3 straight pass plays. In the 2nd half with a lead the whole time we called 11 passes and 9 runs before the drive with the pick 6. We ran the same offense and called the same plays in the 2nd half. Kubiak did nothing to cost us this game. He had his guys more than ready to start the game for the first time all year. He mixed up the play calling beautifully against the league's best defense. And then Matt Schaub throws it to the other team. That is 3 games in a row Schaub has thrown a TD for the other guys.

Kubiak cannot make the plays for these guys. He can't make Ben Tate hold onto the ball (and prepare for him to get burried like last year). This team is broken and Matt Schaub is what needs to be fixed. It is amazing Kubiak has gotten 2 division titles and a pair of playoff wins out of our brutal QB play.

But Schaub is Kubiak's chosen one, for whom he's made no effort to even bring in any competition. Don't see how the failings of his guy absolves him. By his actions, Kubiak bet on Schaub being the guy. He has to answer for that.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

But Schaub is Kubiak's chosen one, for whom he's made no effort to even bring in any competition. Don't see how the failings of his guy absolves him. By his actions, Kubiak bet on Schaub being the guy. He has to answer for that.

He bet on Schaub over who? Name me the playoff team that ever spent a high draft pick or FA money on a backup QB to give their starter competition.

Schaub got a free pass 2 years ago by being hurt. Then he tanked at the end of last year and is obviously on short leash career in houston wise. The GM made critical media statements about him after last week. He is in a make or break year. If we get this for 16 weeks and don't go past round 2, I'd be shocked if Schaub survives. Rick Smith is the ultimate decision maker on this stuff and has never been shy about making moves.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

He bet on Schaub over who? Name me the playoff team that ever spent a high draft pick or FA money on a backup QB to give their starter competition.

Schaub got a free pass 2 years ago by being hurt. Then he tanked at the end of last year and is obviously on short leash career in houston wise. The GM made critical media statements about him after last week. He is in a make or break year. If we get this for 16 weeks and don't go past round 2, I'd be shocked if Schaub survives. Rick Smith is the ultimate decision maker on this stuff and has never been shy about making moves.

San Fran took the job away from the guy that took them to the NFC championship game last year. And then got to the Super Bowl.

And let's not act like Schaub's shortcomings are new. It's been a topic for well over a year. In fact, go back and pull up the thread when it was rumored that we were Manning's first choice, I, along with others (but not Bob, he was still advocating for assembling the elusive perfect roster around Schaub), couldn't believe the Texans weren't willing to even explore this. Can you imagine this team with Manning? But, no, we had Schaub, why would we consider one of the best to ever play the game.

Regardless of what everyone else has done, Kubiak's job is to put together the best football team he can. There is no indication he's even considered bringing in any competition since the minute he and Schaub played golf together 7 years ago and Schaub wowed him with his ability to talk football when there's not a defender within 5 miles. That's on him.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

San Fran took the job away from the guy that took them to the NFC championship game last year. And then got to the Super Bowl.

And let's not act like Schaub's shortcomings are new. It's been a topic for well over a year. In fact, go back and pull up the thread when it was rumored that we were Manning's first choice, I, along with others (but not Bob, he was still advocating for assembling the elusive perfect roster around Schaub), couldn't believe the Texans weren't willing to even explore this. Can you imagine this team with Manning? But, no, we had Schaub, why would we consider one of the best to ever play the game.

Regardless of what everyone else has done, Kubiak's job is to put together the best football team he can. There is no indication he's even considered bringing in any competition since the minute he and Schaub played golf together 7 years ago and Schaub wowed him with his ability to talk football when there's not a defender within 5 miles. That's on him.

SF was not creating competition, they had a new coach who took a year to replace the QB he never wanted. He tried to replace him that summer and then did replace him that season.

But I agree we were stupid not going after Manning. I said it in that thread and say it again. I have no problem with anyone saying we should have replaced Schaub. It is not often done with a QB on a playoff team, but it should have been (should be). But you don't bring in competition for an established starter, you replace them or you don't.

[WMH]

Actually, I was a kinda pissed Kubiak didn't take his foot off the gas and had Schaub throwing on the play that led to the pick 6.

But that's just me.

[Joshua]

We're probably talking past each other and it's partly my fault for not being clear. It's not that I want competition per se, it's that I want to see some indication that Kubiak sees what the rest of us see--that Schaub is a middling QB that it will be basically impossible to win with. However, he's done nothing to suggest that he has. Whether its a free agent, a draft pick, answering the phone when Peyton freakin' Manning calls, etc., everything he has done the last 3 years indicates he thinks Schaub is the guy or he's loyal to a fault.

I really checked out when they refused to even consider Manning.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by joshua

we're probably talking past each other and it's partly my fault for not being clear. It's not that i want competition per se, it's that i want to see some indication that kubiak sees what the rest of us see--that schaub is a middling qb that it will be basically impossible to win with. However, he's done nothing to suggest that he has. Whether its a free agent, a draft pick, answering the phone when peyton freakin' manning calls, etc., everything he has done the last 3 years indicates he thinks schaub is the guy or he's loyal to a fault.

I really checked out when they refused to even consider manning.

+1 .

[Mike]

This was the second most miserable loss I felt at Reliant, (VY's OT run being #1) and I have not missed a home game. I have been a Schaub supporter but I am done...its over...same mistakes over and over. At that point in the game he has to take the sack....seriously...sick. Here are his cap #'s. He is our QB until 2014.

here is a salary cap link

overthecap.com

[Arky]

I've never been a big Kubiak or Schaub basher. With Kubiak, I'm well aware of his shortcomings and am willing to forgive his (IMO, minor) trespasses and conservatism.... But his QB is really making him look bad, lately.

With Schaub, I had absolutely no gripes towards him early in his career. It was nice watching the franchise go from a loser into a winner and a playoff team. And then there was that confusing set of OT's games last year (Det and Jax) where he was alternately good and bad (threw an INT in both OT's). This was followed by mainly poor showing down the 1-3 stretch. They beat Cincy in the playoffs then crumbled against New England (not a good day for the defense either). I'm not sure why this is. Some have speculated he's (Schaub) not the same after the lis franc injury which, the way I understand it, can have a deteriorating effect over time and even become arthritic.... he's not stepping into his throws with the same conviction.

At some point, the bad starts outweighing the good.

Can he (Schaub) turn it around and salvage this season? Still 12 games to go.... but I'm not optimistic about this. Tne problem is, there is no Kubiak doghouse for Matt Schaub. I'd say everybody else - yes. I'm afraid Kubiak is willing to go down with the ship (Schaub) because (paraphrasing) "he gives us our best shot to advance".

Some act as though if Yates or Keenum were to start getting a few snaps that the season would be over. All through NFL history there have been instances where a team's backup QB has led a team to the playoffs and even the Superbowl. The Texans really should consider giving Schaub some pine time occasionally when he's stinking it up. But it'll probably never happen..... and that part is on Kubiak.....

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Kubes fell on his sword post-game saying it was on him (of course) - the pick six. He said (paraphrasing) "was trying to stay aggressive". lol, a 5 yard dink pass to OD is "aggressive"? We've got different definitions of aggressive...

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After having a nice first half, can we not go into victory formation in the 3rd quarter?

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On to Sunday Night Football next weekend against SF. Early line, the 49'ers are favored by 6.5 to 7.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Arky

Some act as though if Yates or Keenum were to start getting a few snaps that the season would be over.

I agree with everything you said, Arky. And I think the only ones in Houston right now that still feel Schaub is the answer are the 3 boobs running the show - McNair, Smith and Kubiak. Can Yates/Keenum seriously be THAT much worse than Schaub? I don't think so. In fact, I think that if they had someone back there that even had the slightest ability to get out of the pocket and run when things break down this offense would so much more effective. It blows my mind the boob HC can't see that. Schaub is a game manager at this point in his career, and not a very good one at that. I'm pretty confident Yates and/or Keenum can manage a game.

[popanot]

Not sure how accurate this is, but maybe we're not as tethered cap-wise to Schaub as we once thought...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...er-the-season/

EDIT: Added the link

[HPF Bob]

$7 mil in 2015 is still a lot to pay for somebody to play elsewhere. I like Schaub as a person and I don't think he gets enough credit for his toughness but he doesn't adjust well on the fly (start running on 3rd and 10+...Really?).

I blame the play-calling more. If I can guess what's coming on key downs, certainly people who are paid to study film and study tendencies know what's coming. Most of our plays can be stopped if they are telegraphed. If it's third and under 2, it's Arian to the left. If it's more than 2, it's a dump in the flat. Now is that because Schaub can no longer throw deep or because Kubiak has lost his imaginzation?

They also faked the reverse countless times and, to my knowledge, never actually ran the reverse. If you don't ever run the reverse, all you are doing by faking it is wasting precious seconds and drawing one defender to your QB.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I blame the play-calling more.

So the Texans run on 3rd and 9 before halftime, then have Schaub throw the pick 6 on 3rd and 4 in the 4th quarter to blow the lead. I am so confused by what the thought processes are here.

So yeah, I blame some of the playcalling on occasion, but Schaub has more than one option on every pass play called. That said, I think Schaub is a reflection of his head coach. It also seems Schaub should be allowed to audible more.

The problem with Schaub and Kubiak leaving is that it would seem to make Wade Phillips the de facto hire. Tough to see a scenario where McNair would bring in someone else and not promote Phillips. Not sure what we would have to go on to believe that Phillips would be a fantastic HC.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

$7 mil in 2015 is still a lot to pay for somebody to play elsewhere. I like Schaub as a person and I don't think he gets enough credit for his toughness but he doesn't adjust well on the fly (start running on 3rd and 10+...Really?).

If you think Schaub is tough, I'm generally curious as to what QBs you don't think are tough. Now, I realize "toughness" is a difficult thing to quantify and invariably it comes down to one person's subjective opinion versus another, but Schaub's play and body language has rarely suggested toughness to me.

In fact, I might could even live with his physical limitations if he was the type of guy to stand in there and take a shot while trying to make a play. But he's never that guy. I can't think of anyone who curls up faster than Schaub at the first sight of pressure.

[cadams]

When watching the game yesterday there was a moment in the second half where it looked like Schaub changed. They had a close up of him and you could almost see that he was nervous. Then a few plays later he got "sacked". I put that in quotes because he went down before he was ever even touched, basically conceding as opposed to standing I and throwing it away.when everything is going according to schedule he is a more than adequate qb, but the second things start to move in the wrong direction he seems to be unable to improvise due to his nerves.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

$7 mil in 2015 is still a lot to pay for somebody to play elsewhere.

True, but if they draft a qb the drop in base salary would make that much easier to deal with for a year.

[HPF Bob]

I was scrolling through an "other games" thread on a Broncos board and even they were wondering why blows to the head aren't called when Schaub is QB (except for the ear-tearing hit by Joe Mays last year).

He has probably had concussion issues the Texans keep quiet about and I also think his shoulder is worse than it was a few years ago judged by the way his passes seem to float to their target.

During his first year here, there was a lot of public questioning of Schaub's toughness and it makes me think that he refuses to address the subject now because it will never shut up the critics anyway. But the man takes a beating and I don't hear him publicly complain and I don't see his lineman ever retaliate.

That doesn't mean I'm not ready to see Yates or Keenum get a chance to do better. I'm just saying I respect the way he deals with the physical abuse he gets.