[Chron.com] Amobi Okoye, David Anderson given permission to seek trades.

[Keith]

Okoye is expected, but the logjam at WR is tough on Anderson. Not sure I'd prefer losing him over say the far more expensive Kevin Walter.

Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7674151.html

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Keith

Okoye is expected, but the logjam at WR is tough on Anderson. Not sure I'd prefer losing him over say the far more expensive Kevin Walter.

Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7674151.html

My guess is that KW is going to be one of the restructures for whatever CB we end up bringing in.

[barrett]

Walter does everything Anderson does well (play the slot and not drop anything). Anderson does not do everything Walter does well (block better than any WR in the league, play outside, stretch the field enough across from AJ, size).

[popanot]

No doubt DA's a goner and will likely be cut by the weekend. No one is going to trade for him.

[NBT]

It still doesn't change the fact that Walter is a big, slow, white guy who disappears at times, especially in the red zone. I think if Dickerson pans out at WR, Walter will be gone. Even so the FA signing of Toliver may well bode the end of Anderson, and eventually Walter as Texans.

[Fonz the Boss]

Why couldn't we have been the ones to offer 2 late round picks to Bengals for Chad? Two late rd picks and a restructured deal and BAM it's done.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss

Why couldn't we have been the ones to offer 2 late round picks to Bengals for Chad? Two late rd picks and a restructured deal and BAM it's done.

Uh....No thanks.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by WMH

Uh....No thanks.

ditto, that.

[Fonz the Boss]

I know alot of people hate on him because of all the non football related attention that he gets but there's no denying his football skills are way better than KW's... but oh well, he's with the Pats now and I'm sure he's gonna have a bounce back year with Brady.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss

I know alot of people hate on him because of all the non football related attention that he gets but there's no denying his football skills are way better than KW's... but oh well, he's with the Pats now and I'm sure he's gonna have a bounce back year with Brady.

He's a fantastic entertainer, but his time has passed. He just ain't that good anymore, and is definitely not worth it when you have to put up with his shit on top of his mediocre play.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by NBT

It still doesn't change the fact that Walter is a big, slow, white guy who disappears at times, especially in the red zone. I think if Dickerson pans out at WR, Walter will be gone. Even so the FA signing of Toliver may well bode the end of Anderson, and eventually Walter as Texans.

I really don't get the hate for Walter. If he wasn't a white guy playing a primarily black position I think he'd be viewed differently.

Walter is the 3rd or 4th option on the team behind AJ and Foster (and a healthy OD). Any #2 WR they get is going to be the 3rd or 4th option. Any #2 they get will have inconsistent opportunities and targets, but will be expected to have consistent effort and blocking in a top running game. Then catch enough balls to make teams pay for rolling coverage to Andre.

Look at the receiving stats here.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playe...=WR&season=reg

Success Rate #4 of all WRs.
Catch Rate #19.
Yards per Target and Deep Ball rate in the middle of the pack.

The only area he is low for a #2 is in number of times targeted.

So basically Walter gives you solid production, enough of a downfield threat, and great effort and blocking despite not getting many balls thrown his way. And we all want to find a way to replace him? (and with Dickerson, a guy who has zero career catches)

[WMH]

LZ said on his show this morning that there is a rumor going around that the Texans are looking at trading Okoye to the Raiders for Shane Lechler......

Rumors are rumors, so take that for what it is....

Okoye is in the last year of his deal @ $2.95MM
Lechler has 2 yrs. left - '11 @ $3.2MM, '12 @ $3.8MM

Personally, I don't see how this would be possible, especially with the contracts that they are going to have to figure out, but we shall see.

Edit:
Now he tweeted it:
@LanceZierlein: Just got a text from someone close to Shane Lechler who says he is hearing the Texans could potentially look to deal Okoye for Lechler.

[cadams]

i would be happy to see lechler on the texans this year.

[nunusguy]

I know nothing about Shane Lechler, you guys apparehtly think he's a very talented kicker ? If so, something else I didn't realie was that Okoye had enough value left to possibly attract such a trade ?

[popanot]

Okoye is young and a former 1rst Rd. pick. You'd think someone using a 4-3 would take a chance on him.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by popanot

Okoye is young and a former 1rst Rd. pick. You'd think someone using a 4-3 would take a chance on him.

Agree, and at a shade under $3MM, not a bad chance to take, especially with some of the numbers that are getting thrown around right now.

We shall see.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by barrett

I really don't get the hate for Walter. If he wasn't a white guy playing a primarily black position I think he'd be viewed differently.

Walter is the 3rd or 4th option on the team behind AJ and Foster (and a healthy OD). Any #2 WR they get is going to be the 3rd or 4th option. Any #2 they get will have inconsistent opportunities and targets, but will be expected to have consistent effort and blocking in a top running game. Then catch enough balls to make teams pay for rolling coverage to Andre.

Look at the receiving stats here.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playe...=WR&season=reg

Success Rate #4 of all WRs.
Catch Rate #19.
Yards per Target and Deep Ball rate in the middle of the pack.

The only area he is low for a #2 is in number of times targeted.

So basically Walter gives you solid production, enough of a downfield threat, and great effort and blocking despite not getting many balls thrown his way. And we all want to find a way to replace him? (and with Dickerson, a guy who has zero career catches)

You said it yourself, he is a #3 receiver, playing a #2 receiver position. That's all the justification they need. Your RB should not be your #2 read. ..And by the way, I don't hate Walter, I just don't think he is doing the job he is being paid for.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I know nothing about Shane Lechler, you guys apparehtly think he's a very talented kicker ? If so, something else I didn't realie was that Okoye had enough value left to possibly attract such a trade ?

The rumors of Lechler being on his way out of Oakland started when he criticized Al Davis for firing Tom Cable, Lechler’s sixth head coach in 11 seasons with the Raiders. He’s a potential Hall of Famer, and even though he’ll turn 35 next week he’s still going strong – last year he was 2nd in the NFL in gross average (47.0) and net average (40.8), 7th in touchback percentage (5.2%), and 14th in punts inside the 10 (8). His net average for each of the last four seasons has been 40+, and he came very close to breaking Sammy Baugh’s gross season average record in 2009. He didn’t kick off for the Raiders (Janikowski did) but I’m pretty sure that he did at A&M and probably could here. Okoye for Lechler is a no-brainer.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by NBT

You said it yourself, he is a #3 receiver, playing a #2 receiver position. That's all the justification they need. Your RB should not be your #2 read. ..And by the way, I don't hate Walter, I just don't think he is doing the job he is being paid for.

i never said he is a #3 WR. I said he is the #3 option in our offense. There is not a #2 WR in the NFL that I would rather see get the ball than Arian Foster. Look at the prolific Rams offenses and Marshall Faulk was a bigger part than Bruce or Holt. Same thing with Forte. Same thing with Slaton in his one good year. And many others. The RB is definitely one of the more dangerous options in the modern NFL passing game.


But instead of telling me why he is not a real #2, try telling me all the #2 WRs who are better (and cheaper since you think he is overpaid).

[NBT]

Originally Posted by WMH

My guess is that KW is going to be one of the restructures for whatever CB we end up bringing in.

I tend to think if Dorin Dickerson shows any promise, that Walter may be in our rearview window by the start of the season.