Which is worse?

popanot · #1 02-01-2011, 10:41 AM

Bud or this...???

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"You have to be successful (on the business side) if you hope to be successful as a football team for the long term," McNair said. "I'm still optimistic. We've got a good foundation. We've got good people in the right places. I think we'll win a championship, but I can't say when. We've got to just keep plugging.

"Honestly, I wouldn't want to be in a situation like Carolina or Jacksonville, whose early success was greater than what they've enjoyed recently. I'm not satisfied at all with our record. We've got to turn it up a notch."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7405153.html

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice...ll_optimi.html

Honestly, Bob, you continously come across as a dweeb that has no clue of what it takes to put a quality product on the field. We could only wish to have the success that Carolina has had, which included a Super Bowl in their 9th year. In your 9th year, Bob, you allowed your coaches to build a joke of a Defense and finished below .500. In addition, you team has NEVER even sniffed so much as a wildcard playoff berth in ANY year. The other franchise you just disrespected finished ahead of your team as recently as this year and has made it to the Conference Championship game a couple of times. Yeah, I'd hate to have that sort of success...

Sorry... I love this team, but it's really frustrating seeing this sort of stuff out of the man in charge (along with the "Oh, we're on the right track" based on what other owners told him - AFTER A LOSS!!). I'm getting more and more convinced this team is bad because of what's at the top of the management chain. I guess anything is better than the old meddlesome Bud, but come on, someone needs to wake this guy up and/or he needs to hire a front-man for the organization.

EDIT: Meant to post this in the Texans forum. Maybe Keith can move it...

NBT · #2 02-01-2011, 03:17 PM

Thank you! A real football man who knows the game and the players should be hired to run the orgranization. Bob is a good businessman, but he has a lot to learn about football.

Keith · #3 02-01-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

EDIT: Meant to post this in the Texans forum. Maybe Keith can move it...

Yep, I moved it.

nunusguy · #4 02-02-2011, 06:29 AM

BM keeps digging himself deeper into the hole he made for himself initially after the MNF Ravens game when he claimed his fellow owners gave him an attaboy because the Texans made that game a contest late before folding in OT. Up to now I'm thinking he's been pretty cool, so let's hope we're not seeing some early dementia here ?

Joshua · #5 02-02-2011, 09:04 AM

I used to think that McNair just stayed out of the way and wasn't the problem, but the more I hear, the more I think he is a considerable part of the problem.

I can't tell if he's clueless or this is just cover. While I certainly understand wanting to emulate successful teams like the Steelers, the borderline infantile level he has reduced their philosophy to (Steelers don't replace their head coach very often and are successful, ergo, if I keep my head coach long enough, I will be successful) is ridiculous and I have a hard time believing anyone able to tie their own shoes would believe such tripe. By this logic, why did we fire Capers? If time is all it takes to be a successful head coach, then firing Capers was a mistake. Besides, Capers and Kubiak are essentially the same guy. Both are coordinators who probably have no business being head coaches. The only difference is Capers is a much better coordinator.

I'm basically convinced now that McNair likes being a part of the boys club more than anything else. You can see this in the beaming pride he took in being complimented by his fellow owners after the Ravens' loss. In fact, this is clearly such a huge part of what he enjoys about owning the team, that it never even dawned on him that the fans wouldn't feel the same way. I think he honestly thought we would also be swayed by these comments as well and that's why he went public with them. If I had to guess, I think those compliments mean more to him than actually winning the game would have.

I think keeping Gary is also a function of his boys club. He likes Gary personally and likes hanging out with him and that played a big role in Gary keeping his job. Now, it's Bob's team and he has every right to use it as his personal treehouse for him and his buddies to play in but he should have the balls to be honest with his paying customers. For a guy who always claims to take the moral highground and purportedly stresses values, for him to come out and claim winning is the bottom line when it's apparent that's not the case, this really bothers me. Here's a guy who refuses to draft some kid because he got an MIP in college, but has no problem lying to the people he's been taking money from for 10 years.

cadams · #6 02-02-2011, 03:21 PM

when i read this interview the other day it almost didn't seem real to me. how can a guy who has made so much money be so completely terrible/clueless in the PR department. each time he does an interview or makes statements on the record it does more PR damage than if he just would have kept his mouth shut. seriously, these mistakes are so bad that it seems almost impossible that anyone with a lick of sense could continue to make them over and over again.

lately it seems like every attempt by the texans do something to try justify or explain their actions/plan it comes across so bad that it makes me want to give up my season tickets more and more. this seriously makes me sick.

nunusguy · #7 02-02-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cadams

lately it seems like every attempt by the texans do something to try justify or explain their actions/plan it comes across so bad that it makes me want to give up my season tickets more and more. this seriously makes me sick.

But really what difference does it make anyway ? I mean McNair could be articulate, convincing, compelling, intelligent & eloquent but we finished, oh say 6-10, does it matter how good he sounds ? On the other hand if he's a total jerk but we go 11-5, hey everybodys happy right ?

Joshua · #8 02-03-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

But really what difference does it make anyway ? I mean McNair could be articulate, convincing, compelling, intelligent & eloquent but we finished, oh say 6-10, does it matter how good he sounds ? On the other hand if he's a total jerk but we go 11-5, hey everybodys happy right ?

It's not a matter of being articulate. It's a matter of projecting the confidence and know-how that he can right the ship. His comments make him look clueless and thus, give us no reason to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

cadams · #9 02-03-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua

It's not a matter of being articulate. It's a matter of projecting the confidence and know-how that he can right the ship. His comments make him look clueless and thus, give us no reason to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

exactly right.

NBT · #10 02-03-2011, 03:12 PM

Simple answer --- Go out and get a knowledgable football person to run your football team!

Nconroe · #11 02-04-2011, 01:47 PM

So, are you saying we need a GM who makes brilliant statements , so Bob wouldn't need to try to do that, and you would then have more optimism for future? We need better players on defense, I'd like to hear we are gonna get them now.

painekiller · #12 02-04-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nconroe

So, are you saying we need a GM who makes brilliant statements , so Bob wouldn't need to try to do that, and you would then have more optimism for future? We need better players on defense, I'd like to hear we are gonna get them now.

NBT has said in another thread that he thinks Bob should hire a football guy to be President of Football Operations.

The ideal candidate would be an experienced guy with a proven track record, similar to the Browns hiring Holmgren. Then that man would hire the GM, and the GM would pick the head coach, the way most successful teams do it.

NBT · #13 02-04-2011, 05:21 PM

I know Jeff Fisher wants to take some time off after 17 years trying to work with Bud Adams. But I think he is a knowledgable football man, and would probably make our organization better. If, for some reason, Munchak doesn't get the HC job with the Titans, I would like to see him come here as our OC too. But what the hell, I'm just wishing.

nunusguy · #14 02-04-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

NBT has said in another thread that he thinks Bob should hire a football guy to be President of Football Operations.

The ideal candidate would be an experienced guy with a proven track record, similar to the Browns hiring Holmgren. Then that man would hire the GM, and the GM would pick the head coach, the way most successful teams do it.

Parcells ?

Nconroe · #15 02-04-2011, 05:32 PM

Ah, like the success we saw with Cleveland, Washington, and Miami this year as opposed to New England where Billicheck does everything.

Many people who were successful at one team are then not successful at their next football team. I don't see where Holmgren or Parcells or even Fisher have been that successful last two years. They have been successful before that.

I too, might like a stronger OC so the HC can be the HC during the game and HC is not the play caller. Wouldn't mind a stronger or more vocal GM, however teamwork is very important as well.

Does our GM report to the President, Jamie Rootes. I suppose that could be a stronger football person as well.

Most of the successful teams actually have the lowest total salary cap expense because they have been drafting well for 10-15 years.

painekiller · #16 02-04-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Parcells ?

IIRC NBT mentioned his name.

painekiller · #17 02-04-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nconroe

Ah, like the success we saw with Cleveland, Washington, and Miami this year as opposed to New England where Billicheck does everything.

Many people who were successful at one team are then not successful at their next football team. I don't see where Holmgren or Parcells or even Fisher have been that successful last two years. They have been successful before that.

I too, might like a stronger OC so the HC can be the HC during the game and HC is not the play caller. Wouldn't mind a stronger or more vocal GM, however teamwork is very important as well.

Does our GM report to the President, Jamie Rootes. I suppose that could be a stronger football person as well.

Most of the successful teams actually have the lowest total salary cap expense because they have been drafting well for 10-15 years.

I had a funny remembrance when you posted this.

Back in the early 90's Jack Pardee was our HC, he was only a head coach, in fact he did not even wear a head set on gamedays. When asked about it, he said that he had assistant that ran the offense, defense and special teams.

He was the ultimate delegator, and the fans went ballistic, most likely due to us not being in the Super Bowl. Bud hired a new DC after the season, Buddy Ryan, who went on to attempt to hit the OC Kevin Gilbride while on the sideline during a game. Ultimate dysfunction, a Bud owned team trait.

Long story cut short to make this point, the fans here will not be happy until a Houston based team wins the Super Bowl. Anything else is just not going to be good enough.

The Astros got close, but not many remember that now, and how long ago has it been since the Rockets won?

Nconroe · #18 02-04-2011, 09:08 PM

Good old story for sure. Of course Buddy Ryan and Bud Adams were pretty unique characters with many good stories. And some success despite doing things the wrong way. Atleast got to playoffs.