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[Roy P]

Originally Posted by kRocket

Would Atkins play along side Okoye or instead of him?

They would rotate, keeping both of them fresh. Atkins has better penetration than Okoye in my opinion. Perhaps we could get some looks at a 3-4 defense where Okoye-Atkins-Williams have hands in the dirt with 4 "LBs" Barwin - Ryans - Lawrence - Cushing (Lawrence played some SS so it's almost like being in Nickle). Then the Secondary would look like Reeves - Thomas - Jefferson - Quinn. At least that is one combination of several I'd like to be able to throw out on the field during passing situations.

[kRocket]

That is interesting. The league is obviously tilting toward 3-4 anyway and IMO the Texans are in a position to also move to a 3-4 if they had a nose tackle. I was watching NFL.com and they were talking about nose tackles, even Cam Thomas and Torrell Troupe flying up the draft. They even put Mount Cody at the bottom of the 1st, perhaps.

We don't really have a NT (maybe DRob-2). Atkins or Ross could be one, I suppose. Does it take special skills to be a NT rather than a DT? I wonder if Kubiak/Bush would entertain that notion? I guess that would change our draft strategy somewhat, maybe an additional LB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by kRocket

Does it take special skills to be a NT rather than a DT? I wonder if Kubiak/Bush would entertain that notion? I guess that would change our draft strategy somewhat, maybe an additional LB.

If all it took was bulk then there would be more of them. Wilfork the guy most people point at as a successful draft pick, did not start his rookie year, so it took him a season to learn the pro game. A NT has to learn to feel the double team and hold his ground. They need to stay low, and use their hands extremely well.

Quickness alone will not work, bulk alone does not work. Quickness with low end power seems to be the trick.

[kRocket]

Yeah, PK I remember Curly Culp with the Oilers in the days when they ran a 3-4. Forgot just how big he was sizewise but he was a college wrestler IIRC. That gave him an edge in the use of hands and leverage. Made a great NT.

Maybe Lamar Houston would make an acceptable NT. He started Texas as a RB so he has quickness and should have leg drive, but he isn't big by today's standards.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by kRocket

Yeah, PK I remember Curly Culp with the Oilers in the days when they ran a 3-4. Forgot just how big he was sizewise but he was a college wrestler IIRC. That gave him an edge in the use of hands and leverage. Made a great NT.

Maybe Lamar Houston would make an acceptable NT. He started Texas as a RB so he has quickness and should have leg drive, but he isn't big by today's standards.

Curley Culp
Position: DT-NT-G
Height: 6-2 Weight: 265 lbs.

But the OL back then only weighed 240's, so when Earl was 245 that was huge for a RB.

But your correct in the fact that wrestlers and martial arts guys make the best front 7 guys.

[Roy P]

It's not easy finding a NT like Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata. The combo of size, speed, power, leverage, and strength is highly coveted. There isn't one in every draft. I believe the closest physical specimen in this draft is Linval Joseph. He isn't going to be drafted in the first round like the two prototypes because of several reasons. However, there are some strengths and similarities.

Pos---Name---Height-Weight---40------Reps-----Vert------20----10----Jump-----3-Cone--Shuttle
DT-Linval Joseph-6'6"-328lbs--5.09------39------30------2.91---1.75----8.25------8.12------4.71
wilfork/ngata----6'3"- 340lbs-5.08/5.13-36/37-26.5/31.5- /2.96- /1.73-8.42/9.2---7.6/7.97---4.5/4.69

Now, I won't tell you that Linval is the next great NT just because of his measurables. I will say, that for a 4th round pick, I'm ready to take the risk that he develops into a solid starter who can stuff the run.

[idymoe]

4/2/10

Draftek has Joseph gone before the Texans' pick.

1. M. Pouncey G/C

2. B. Ghee CB

3. T. Gerhart RB

4. Torrell Troup DT

5. Myron Lewis FS

6. Marcus Easley WR

6. David Pender CB

7. Kion Wilson LB


I would probably like Geno Atkins or Lamar Houston in the 3rd, but would be left with a risky pick for RB after the 3rd.

[painekiller]

mock draft #24, April 6th

20 Earl Thomas Texas FS
51 Dominique Franks Oklahoma CB
81 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE (we already have 3 of this guy)
150 C.J. Wilson East Carolina DE
187 E.J. Wilson North Carolina DT
197 Andre Anderson Tulane RB
227 Seyi Ajirotutu Fresno State WR


It starts great. I can live with the first 3 rounds.

My Cherry Pick
20 Earl Thomas Texas FS
51 Brandon Ghee Wake Forest CB
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Torrell Troup Central Florida DT
150 Marshall Newhouse TCU OG
187 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB
197 Andre Anderson Tulane RB
227 Jameson Konz Kent State FB/TE/WR/H-Back/LB

Starting FS, possible starting CB, Starting LG, rotational NT, future RG, and two RBs that are solid, and Konz who can do a ton of different jobs, he, Casey and Barwin can save roster spots.

[Roy P]

I ran the Draft Simulator and came up with a pretty good Mock Draft....

1st Round

Pick Team Selection Psn
1 St Louis Sam Bradford QB
2 Detroit Ndamukong Suh DT43
3 Tampa Bay Gerald McCoy DT43
4 Washington Russell Okung OT
5 Kansas City Dan Williams DT34
6 Seattle C.J. Spiller RBC
7 Cleveland Eric Berry FS
8 Oakland Jimmy Clausen QB
9 Buffalo Bryan Bulaga OT
10 Jacksonville Joe Haden CB
11 Denver Maurkice Pouncey OC
12 Miami Earl Thomas FS
13 San Francisco Mike Iupati OG
14 Seattle Derrick Morgan DE43
15 NY Giants Rolando McClain ILB
16 Tennessee Kyle Wilson CB
17 San Francisco Taylor Mays FS
18 Pittsburgh Trent Williams OT
19 Atlanta Sean Weatherspoon OLB43
20 Houston Devin McCourty CB
21 Cincinnati Jermaine Gresham TE
22 New England Dez Bryant WRF
23 Green Bay Brandon Graham DE43
24 Philadelphia Everson Griffen DE43
25 Baltimore Patrick Robinson CB
26 Arizona Jason Pierre-Paul DE43
27 Dallas Anthony Davis OT
28 San Diego Terrence Cody DT43
29 NY Jets Sergio Kindle OLB34
30 Minnesota Ryan Mathews RBF
31 Indianapolis Charles Brown OT
32 New Orleans Brian Price DT43

[Roy P]

33 St Louis Golden Tate WRF
34 Detroit Rodger Saffold OG
35 Tampa Bay Jerry Hughes DE43
36 Kansas City Bruce Campbell OT
37 Philadelphia Nate Allen FS
38 Cleveland Jared Odrick DE34
39 Oakland Vladimir Ducasse OG
40 San Diego Jonathan Dwyer RBF
41 Buffalo Brandon Spikes ILB
42 Tampa Bay Demaryius Thomas WRP
43 Miami Arrelious Benn WRF
44 New England Daryl Washington ILB
45 Denver Sean Lee ILB
46 NY Giants Kareem Jackson CB
47 New England Carlos Dunlap DE34
48 Carolina Colt McCoy QB
49 San Francisco John Jerry OG
50 Kansas City Morgan Burnett SS
51 Houston Chris Cook FS
52 Pittsburgh Ricky Sapp OLB34
53 New England Koa Misi OLB34
54 Cincinnati Chad Jones SS
55 Philadelphia Brandon Ghee CB
56 Green Bay Jared Veldheer OT
57 Baltimore Corey Wootton DE34
58 Arizona Eric Norwood ILB
59 Dallas Tyson Alualu DT34
60 Seattle Tim Tebow QB
61 NY Jets Damian Williams WRF
62 Minnesota Dominique Franks CB
63 Indianapolis Ben Tate RBF
64 New Orleans Alex Carrington DE43

I actually would have drafted Brandon Ghee to play FS at this point. If I had known that Ben Tate was going to Indy at #63, I think I probably would have taken him instead.

[Roy P]

65 St Louis Jahvid Best RBC
66 Detroit Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB
67 Tampa Bay Thaddeus Gibson OLB43
68 Kansas City Dexter McCluster WRS
69 Oakland Lamarr Houston DT43
70 Philadelphia Matt Tennant OT
71 Cleveland Jason Worilds OLB34
72 Buffalo Jason Fox OG
73 Miami Cam Thomas DT34
74 Jacksonville Brandon LaFell WRF
75 Chicago Reshad Jones FS
76 NY Giants Rob Gronkowski TE
77 Tennessee Donald Butler ILB
78 Carolina Taylor Price WRF
79 San Francisco Jerome Murphy CB
80 Denver Carlton Mitchell WRF
81 Houston Jon Asamoah OG
82 Pittsburgh J.D. Walton OC
83 Atlanta Jermaine Cunningham DE43
84 Cincinnati Navorro Bowman OLB43
85 Cleveland Dan LeFevour QB
86 Green Bay Javier Arenas CB
87 Philadelphia Tony Pike QB
88 Arizona Greg Hardy OLB34
89 Arizona Jimmy Graham TE
90 Dallas Jacoby Ford WRS
91 San Diego Torrell Troup DT34
92 Cleveland Perrish Cox CB
93 Minnesota Mike Johnson OG
94 Indianapolis Geno Atkins DT43
95 New Orleans Darrell Stuckey SS
96 Cincinnati Austen Lane DE43
97 Tennessee Eric Decker WRF
98 Atlanta Aaron Hernandez TE

I was amazed to Asamoah available here and yes, he was at the top of my draft board when I selected. Again, Indy steals 'My Guy' Geno Atkins in this round.

[Roy P]

99 St Louis Brandon Lang DE43
100 Detroit Toby Gerhart RBF
101 Tampa Bay Montario Hardesty RBF
102 Kansas City Anthony McCoy TE
103 Washington Joe McKnight RBC
104 Seattle Selvish Capers OT
105 Philadelphia A.J. Edds OLB43
106 Oakland Marshall Newhouse OG
107 Buffalo Linval Joseph DE34
108 Jacksonville Major Wright SS
109 Chicago Amari Spievey CB
110 Miami T.J. Ward SS
111 Tennessee Jarrett Brown QB
112 Carolina Mike Neal DT43
113 San Francisco Lindsey Witten OLB34
114 Denver Ed Dickson TE
115 NY Giants Dorin Dickerson FB
116 Pittsburgh Anthony Dixon RBF
117 Atlanta Arthur Jones DT43
118 Houston C.J. Wilson DE43
119 New England Dennis Pitta TE
120 Cincinnati Mitch Petrus OG
121 Philadelphia Dekoda Watson OLB43
122 Green Bay Larry Asante SS
123 Arizona Marshawn Gilyard WRS
124 NY Jets Zane Beadles OG
125 Dallas Alterraun Verner CB
126 San Diego John Skelton QB
127 Seattle Riley Cooper WRF
128 Minnesota Kyle Calloway OT
129 Indianapolis Perry Riley OLB43
130 New Orleans Myron Lewis FS
131 Cincinnati Tony Moeaki FB

There were a few guys I really wanted in this round that came off the board before I got to pick. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim would have been my pick here at #118.