McClain's sleepers

[painekiller]

Did anyone else see this? It's the Generals video on some sleepers in the draft.
Sorry i cannot find the link.

1st Jameson Konz Kent ST. 6-3 234 4.38 FB/WR/HB
2nd J.D. Walton Baylor OC John just want to plug the Baylor player
3rd Deji Karem Southern Illinios 5-9 209 4.38 RB
4th Nolan Carrol Maryland 6-1 212 4.37 CB
5th Koa Misi Utah 6-3 251 4.65 LB

Konz, Karem and Carrol all look interesting....

[nunusguy]

What a surprise, a player from Baylor. And McClains got ole JD atleast one maybe two rounds higher than he'll probably end up going off the Board.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

What a surprise, a player from Baylor. And McClains got ole JD atleast one maybe two rounds higher than he'll probably end up going off the Board.

I could see him going in the late 2nd. So John has that correct.

[TexanJedi]

Another Baylor Bear the Texans have reportedly looked at is safety Jordan Lake. It looks like he was really two years ago and battled injuries this past season. I wonder if he could be a late rounder for us, provided we don't get Earl Thomas or the like.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I could see him going in the late 2nd. So John has that correct.

Speaking of interior line prospects who have a possible future at center, I'm becoming a fan of Zane Beadles, maybe in part because Mike Mayoc also likes him.
Beadles played a lot of LT in college at Utah so he's athletic with good feet, but most think he's got to move inside at the next level. Mayoc said they played him at guard and center some where he (Mayoc) saw some a possible future.
And everyone says a player has got to have smarts to effectively play center in the NFL, well Beadles has got that covered as he's graduating with a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
Anyway I'd take this guy before JD, who's less versitile and probably lacks Beadles athletic moves.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Anyway I'd take this guy before JD, who's less versitile and probably lacks Beadles athletic moves.

I also like Beadles; however, IMO he will be gone before we draft in the 3rd whereas I believe JD will last at least until the 3rd and possibly 4th.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by kRocket

I also like Beadles; however, IMO he will be gone before we draft in the 3rd whereas I believe JD will last at least until the 3rd and possibly 4th.

Watching Beadles at Senior Bowl practices and during the Senior Bowl, I came away with no respect for Beadles. He looked like just a guy who could not anchor and didn't have the agility to kick-slide on the edge. I saw him getting pushed back in the pocket, so I don't know why I'd want him to play OC.

That's just me.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Watching Beadles at Senior Bowl practices and during the Senior Bowl, I came away with no respect for Beadles. He looked like just a guy who could not anchor and didn't have the agility to kick-slide on the edge. I saw him getting pushed back in the pocket, so I don't know why I'd want him to play OC.

That's just me.

You're right of course Beadles was beaten, and beaten badly in SB practices at OT which is why the guy would need to move inside, he's just not an NFL tackle prospect. I definitely admit he was disappointing in the one-on-one drills. That also goes for the big Idaho guard when they put him out in space in the one-on-ones.
Now I haven't watched my recording of the actual game again, but if he's playing guard or center (I don't remember ?), and he also plays poorly on the inside in the game then his rating would have to drop substantially from mid-round to a late-round prospect (or maybe project ?).

[kRocket]

I was not touting Beadles as an OT but an OG where at least by one site he is rated pretty high.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC

[Roy P]

I'm going back through the Senior Bowl practices and I'll re-watch the actual game too. Beadles was lined up at RT and went against Alex Carrington and Brandon Graham. Taking a look at my prototypical OL, Arizona State's Shawn Lauvao who went up against Jared Odrick looked much better than Beadles. In fact, I've placed Lauvao on my draft board. Granted practices was mostly showcasing pass protection. I'll be paying closer attention to the run blocking of both Beadles and Lauvao.

In addition to adding Lauvao to my draft board, I've incorporated a couple of more players. CB Kevin Thomas from USC has the physical skills that I look for in a CB and would essentially be an Antwaun Molden type player (preferrable he'd be on the field and not the trainer's room). RB James Starks from Buffalo had good enough measurables that I feel comfortable taking a late round flyer on him. The LB from Minnesota Simoni Lawrence is the kind of athlete I'd like to have at the WILL. DT Earl Mitchell is another 3-Tech guy who could put some pressure on the QB and Amobi Okoye. OG Shelley Smith is an athletic OL that would fit into the ZBS, so I've added him to the list. Since Anthony Dixon had such dissapointing numbers, I've added Joique Bell who is as slow as Dixon. So, we shall see if either work out in the NFL.
Another athletic ZBS guy is Joe Hawley from UNLV. He's comparable to J.D. Walton but should be available much later in the draft. In fact, if I were to make a list of OL who meet the measurables required for the ZBS, it would look like this:

Pos---Name-------------Height--Weight---40----Reps--Vert---20-----10-----Jump---3-Cone--Shuttle--Explosion--Quick-----Athlete
OL---Joe Hawley---------6'3"-----297----5.21----35----26----3.00---1.78 ----8.75----7.50----4.73-----69.75----14.01------4.98
OL---Shelley Smith -------6'3"-----300----5.03----26----34----2.93---1.74----9.25----7.67----4.71-----69.25----14.12------4.90
OL---Shawn Lauvao------6'3"-----315----5.22----33---26.5---3.00---1.80 ----8.42----7.56----4.51-----67.92----13.87------4.90
OL---Trent Williams-------6'5"-----315----4.88 ---23----34.5---2.81---1.70----9.42----7.64----4.63-----66.92----13.97------4.79
OL---Rodger Saffold------6'5"-----316----5.21----27---29.5----3.00---1.80----9.42---7.42----4.67------65.92---13.89------4.75
OL---Marshall Newhouse--6'3"-----326----4.99----25---25-----2.93----1.74---8.12----7.40----4.60-----58.12----13.74------4.23
OL---JD Walton----------6'3"-----305-----5.19---24----27-----2.93---1.80----8.42----7.60----4.69-----59.42----14.09------4.22

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

OG Shelley Smith is an athletic OL that would fit into the ZBS, so I've added him to the list.

Shock you do not like Petrus, what am I missing on him?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Shock you do not like Petrus, what am I missing on him?

I do not know enough about Petrus. I know that his 40 was slow at 5.34 and his 10 yard split was slow at 1.85. He didn't run the Shuttle or Cone and he didn't jump a Vert or Broad, so I have more questions than answers. Currently he's projected at a 3rd round selection. I'd rather take a player that I have a better impression of that high. If he had a sub 5.1 in the 40 and a sub 1.78 in his 10, then I'd be more intrigued. The only measurable that he has that is impressive is the Bench and I attribute that to having short arms, which is a negative for an OL. He may be a good prospect, but I'm not willing to take a gamble on him when I know more about the other players.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I do not know enough about Petrus. I know that his 40 was slow at 5.34 and his 10 yard split was slow at 1.85. He didn't run the Shuttle or Cone and he didn't jump a Vert or Broad, so I have more questions than answers. Currently he's projected at a 3rd round selection. I'd rather take a player that I have a better impression of that high. If he had a sub 5.1 in the 40 and a sub 1.78 in his 10, then I'd be more intrigued. The only measurable that he has that is impressive is the Bench and I attribute that to having short arms, which is a negative for an OL. He may be a good prospect, but I'm not willing to take a gamble on him when I know more about the other players.

I missed the splits, that is slow.

[Roy P]

S Darrell Stuckey
CB Kevin Thomas
CB Alterraun Verner
RB James Starks
RB Andre Anderson
CB Crezdon Butler
QB John Skelton
WR Stephen Williams
OG Shawn Lauvao
DT Earl Mitchell
LB Simoni Lawrence
FS Brian Jackson
S Kyle McCarthy

[TexanJedi]

Not sure where to put this, but since he is considered a sleeper...

The pride of Fordham

John Skelton was lightly recruited coming out of El Paso, Texas, so he figured if he couldn't play at a big-time football school he'd at least get a good education. So his uncle Javier Loya, a minority owner of the Houston Texans, took him on a tour of Northeast colleges, dropping off game tape and hoping to drum up interest at Columbia, Holy Cross, New Hampshire and Fordham among others. Skelton had never even heard of Fordham until the visit, but four seasons later, he leaves as the school's career leader in passing yards (9,923), including 69 TDs. Skelton's mechanics, particularly his footwork, need polish. But he has excellent size (6-5, 243) and a strong arm.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...7?OpenDocument

This is new to me. I don't know how interested the Texans are though.

[Roy P]

I bet Skelton is either the 5th or 6th QB selected. I would guess that he's a 3rd or 4th round pick and I don't know if the Texans spend that early of a pick for a back-up QB. Now, if he's still there in the 6th round, we'd be stupid if we did NOT draft him. If nothing else, it prevents him from going to Jacksonville and kicking our butt for the next 15 years.