NFL Combine

nunusguy · #1 03-02-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I'm a big fan of Ben Tate and Montario Hardesty, and now I am thinking that the 'fantasy land' that we've been living in that these guys are 4th round picks has been brought to reality.

That 4.3 that Tate nailed while packing 220 lbs definitely takes him off the Board in the third round at the latest.
And somebody maybe you RP said wait 'till the midrounds to grab a NT in the person of Cam Thomas - well that's another fantasy we can forget about.
Mayoc said this guy had not so good tape during the regular season but he went lights out at Senior Bowl week which puts him in the second round,
especially with so many 3-4 teams looking for nose-guys.

Roy P · #2 03-02-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

That Cam Thomas - well that's another fantasy we can forget about.
Mayoc said this guy had not so good tape during the regular season but he went lights out at Senior Bowl week which puts him in the second round,
especially with so many 3-4 teams looking for nose-guys.

I'm going to put my hopes in East Carolina. Joseph Linval, Jay Ross, or Wilson could get drafted late and help our DL. Linval had an impressive showing on the Bench with very long arms. I'm going to come up with a Formula that ranks Benching.....

nunusguy · #3 03-02-2010, 10:36 AM

Top rated corner in this Draft and a consensus top 10 guy just ran a clunker - 4.57 ! That's unofficial and ususally the official time is slower. Ouch !
He'll get another 40 to improve on that very disappointing time, but if this holds we will see if he remains the top CB ? Might be a real barometer about
how important 40 times are ?

painekiller · #4 03-02-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Top rated corner in this Draft and a consensus top 10 guy just ran a clunker - 4.57 ! That's unofficial and usually the official time is slower. Ouch !
He'll get another 40 to improve on that very disappointing time, but if this holds we will see if he remains the top CB ? Might be a real barometer about
how important 40 times are ?

Hadden then went to the hip flip drill and flopped. He was all over the place on his flip. He just cost himself a lot of money, IMO.

As for all the guys now getting 2nd round grades, if you do the math there is more than 32 guys with 2nd round grades, guys will be available in the the 3rd that are rated by Mayock as 2nd rounders.

As for sleepers, guys like Cam Thomas, Rodger Saffold are known by scouts and graded much better than can do.

BTW Thomas is a huge question mark is what Mayock said due to not being there on tape, then exploding at the Senior Bowl, he looks like a guy who turns it on when the money is on the line only.

A guy who raised his standing is Brandon Ghee. Another guy I liked here is Larry Asante, and I saw somewhere the Texans where interested in him.

A guy I have dropped due to an interview I heard from him is Perrish Cox, he had to much attitude about his suspensions. He said he was hanging with his boys one time and the other time he was partying with a girl, you should understand that? Yep I understand you are being taken off my list.

painekiller · #5 03-02-2010, 01:26 PM

Taylor Mays has put himself back on my list at 20. I am going with his interview in Mobile where he said he was not coached to go for the ball they wanted him laying the big hit. 232 running 4.4. I think we can use that to our advantage. Put him back with Cushing his old roommate. Heck IMO he would make one hell of a WILL.

nunusguy · #6 03-02-2010, 03:27 PM

Top 10 official 40-yard dash times at this year’s combine:

4.28: Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
4.34: Trindon Holliday, return specialist, Louisiana State
4.35: Jahvid Best, RB, California
4.37: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
4.40: Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh
4.41: Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
4:41: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, Southern Methodist
4.42: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
4.43: Brandon Banks, WR, Kansas State
4.43: Taylor Mays, S, Southern California
4.43: Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
4.43: Kyle Williams, WR, Arizona State
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/02/not-...-sets-db-pace/
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Here's the official 40 times for this years Indy Combine. "Official" is the operative term here because the NFL.Network had everybody excited when
they had Mays unofficially running a 4.24, but apparently their guy with the stop-watch didn't click the button until Mays was a few yards down the line.
So anyway these times count. Now don't be surprised if somebody like Mays runs a sub 4.3 at his PRO-Day - just don't believe it.
FWIW, not a single corner ran under 4.4 and the 5th fastest time was by some TE from Pitt by the name of Dorin Dickerson.

Roy P · #7 03-02-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

Hadden then went to the hip flip drill and flopped. He was all over the place on his flip. He just cost himself a lot of money, IMO.

A guy who raised his standing is Brandon Ghee. Another guy I liked here is Larry Asante, and I saw somewhere the Texans where interested in him.

Yeah, after seeing Haden run a 4.6, I'm wondering if he's available at #20. Then I wonder if we should take him if he's available.

Taylor Mays should be off the board when we pick, but Earl Thomas may slide as the 3rd best FS. Is a CB more important than FS?

Devin McCourty looked like a legit 1st round pick and a great bargain in the 2nd round. Brandon Ghee is a 2nd round pick after today. Taylor Mays shouldn't be available when we draft. Myron Lewis may still be a bargain on day 3.

Did anybody see A.J. Jefferson from Fresno State? Mayock should get some kickback from his agent.

nunusguy · #8 03-02-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

Yeah, after seeing Haden run a 4.6, I'm wondering if he's available at #20. Then I wonder if we should take him if he's available.

Taylor Mays should be off the board when we pick, but Earl Thomas may slide as the 3rd best FS. Is a CB more important than FS?

Devin McCourty looked like a legit 1st round pick and a great bargain in the 2nd round. Brandon Ghee is a 2nd round pick after today. Taylor Mays shouldn't be available when we draft. Myron Lewis may still be a bargain on day 3.

Did anybody see A.J. Jefferson from Fresno State? Mayock should get some kickback from his agent.

"Is a CB more important than FS?" - that's not a serious question is it ?
Re Mays, he runs a 4.43 and you're excited ? Really ? Did you see him run his position drills, if so you know he was utterly spastic.
McCourty was impressive.
But disappointed the BSU CB couldn't run today.

kRocket · #9 03-02-2010, 09:49 PM

The loud 'THUMP' you heard was Joe Haden falling out of the top ten and maybe out of the first round. I don't know what happened to his speed that was proclaimed prior to the Combine but it wasn't there today.

Roy P · #10 03-02-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

"Is a CB more important than FS?" - that's not a serious question is it ?
Re Mays, he runs a 4.43 and you're excited ? Really ? Did you see him run his position drills, if so you know he was utterly spastic.
McCourty was impressive.
But disappointed the BSU CB couldn't run today.

Yes, it was a serious question. Earl Thomas could play all over the field, while Devin McCourty could possibly cover a #1 WR.

I saw Mays run the fastest time out of ANY DB at the Combine, so yes that's a bit exciting. Does he need work to become as good as LaRon Landry? Yeah, probably so. Would he make OUR defense better? That's the important question. Will coaching make Mays a better NFL player than he was in college? Could he be a better LB than Thomas Davis and be a hybrid SS/WILL? These are questions that make me put him on my draft board. Am I moving him to the top of the list? Nope.

I hadn't considered McCourty as a First round pick, but I'm getting my head wrapped around it. Similarly to when I thought Duane Brown was a third round pick until we selected him in the 1st. I'd feel better if I knew McCourty had a 36" Vertical.

barrett · #11 03-03-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

"Is a CB more important than FS?" - that's not a serious question is it ?
Re Mays, he runs a 4.43 and you're excited ? Really ? Did you see him run his position drills, if so you know he was utterly spastic.
McCourty was impressive.
But disappointed the BSU CB couldn't run today.

A very serious question.

Jets, Cowboys, Ravens, 49ers, Patriots.

Those are the top 5 NFL defenses by points allowed.

The Jets have a stud CB in Revis.

The Cowboys have two above average CBs in Jenkins and Newman, but their defense is all about pass rush.

The Ravens do it with Ed Reed playing 20 yards deep and range that makes any deep ball look like a punt he should be fair catching. Then they swarm underneath knowing he is behind them.

The 49ers are not particularly strong in the secondary, but are solid in the middle with pro bowlers at DT and MLB that effectively shut down the running game.

The Patriots are likewise strong on the 3-4 DL, but also have a pro bowler at FS.

Looking at all this I don't think you can definitively say that either FS or CB are more important to a team. I think it depends largely on the scheme you run. And sometimes the scheme depends on the talent (like adjustments Rex Ryan made between Baltimore and NY to take advantage of guys like Reed and Revis).

So the questions are "what's more important to the Texans defense?", and then the next question is "With that in mind, what does the talent available dictate?"