Who would I take with #20

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I disagree with about the DBs in this draft. I like a number of them and think this is a good year to fix the secondary.

1 OL guy, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 RB that is not fixing the OL and Secondary.

I try to use history to keep things in perspective. If I look back at 2005, there were a number of guys that I liked for the Secondary.

#50 Ron Bartell - He was a small school CB that caught my eye in the All-Star game and was projected in the 3rd or 4th round. Taken by Rams.

#57 Justin Miller - He was a returner that had great "cover" skills. Drafted by Jets.

#60 Kelvin Hayden - 5'10 197lbs from Illinois ran a 4.48. This guy is willing in run support. Drafted by Colts.

#62 Bryant McFadden - Fla State kid that was big enough to cover tall WR's in the red zone. Drafted by Steelers.

#72 Stanley Wilson - Stanford guy at 6' 0" running a 4.36. Drafted by Detroit Lions.

#75 Eric Green - He was 5'11" 198lbs and ran only a 4.52, so I was sure he would probably slide to the 4th round.

I'd say that Bartell, Hayden, and Green would probably start for the Texans. None of them would "solve" the Secondary woes. I'd also admit that I "missed" on Justin Miller and Stanley Wilson. So, finding a real difference maker in the 3rd or 4th to play CB is at best, long odds. So, if the Texans draft Devin McCourty at #50, I'll give them credit for trying to "fix" the secondary.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I try to use history to keep things in perspective. If I look back at 2005, there were a number of guys that I liked for the Secondary..

And we will not know which one of us is correct for a few years also, so see you back here is 2013

I understand your concerns. I just see them differently... Which is why you and I are here.

[Roy P]

Currently, I would say that a FS, a CB, at least ONE Guard, and a RB would be of necessity. If we do not trade down, it is hopeful that these 4 positions would be addressed in the first 4 rounds. Unfortunately, I'm not of the mindset that any of the 4 will be the BPA at #20. Especially, if Dan Williams is there at #20. I'm not even sure if this staff believes that a FS is a NEED like 90% of the fan base does. Could we sign one or more of these needs in Free Agency? I've heard that we are "interested" in Ladainian Thomas.

In my alternate universe we are able to draft FS Chris Cook, CB Devin McCourty, RG John Jerry, and RB Ben Tate. Can we get these guys in the 2nd - 5th rounds? Allowing us the ability to take the BPA in the 1st round?

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

In my alternate universe we are able to draft FS Chris Cook, CB Devin McCourty, RG John Jerry, and RB Ben Tate. Can we get these guys in the 2nd - 5th rounds? Allowing us the ability to take the BPA in the 1st round?

How do you see John Jerry in our system, he's a classic road-grader whos much more suited to what the Cowboys or Steeler type teams look for ? I see us getting a player more like Jeff Byers or Zand Beadles in the third round who is also experienced at multiple positions. Best thing about Tate is he's probably there in late rounds - OK backhanded compliment but I really doubt the Texans use a higher pick on a back. I see them using maybe 1 Draft pick on RBs but signing 2 or more like in '09.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

How do you see John Jerry in our system, he's a classic road-grader whos much more suited to what the Cowboys or Steeler type teams look for ?

Jerry reminds me of Charles Spencer in terms of being a big body with good athleticism. I'd love to see him playing RG.

Jerry also had the 7th best 40 time out of ALL the OL at the Combine. A 5.15 isn't too shabby for somebody who weighs 327lbs.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Jerry also had the 7th best 40 time out of ALL the OL at the Combine. A 5.15 isn't too shabby for somebody who weighs 327lbs.

I'd be pleasantly surprised to see John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse in Texans uniforms next year. Perhaps they could flank Antoine Caldwell and move the LOS for a Runningback like Ben Tate.

1. FS Earl Thomas
2. RB Ben Tate
3. CB Brandon Ghee
4. RG John Jerry
5. LG Marshall Newhouse
6. NT Linval Joseph
6. DT Corey Peters
7. WR Marcus Easely

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

How do you see John Jerry in our system, he's a classic road-grader whos much more suited to what the Cowboys or Steeler type teams look for ? I see us getting a player more like Jeff Byers or Zand Beadles in the third round who is also experienced at multiple positions. Best thing about Tate is he's probably there in late rounds - OK backhanded compliment but I really doubt the Texans use a higher pick on a back. I see them using maybe 1 Draft pick on RBs but signing 2 or more like in '09.

Like a lot of these guys, Byers has been listed as a late round guy. That does not mean he isn't going to be drafted earlier than internet gurus have him listed. Beadles is flying a little higher.

Tate has raised his stock, making it hard for me to see him getting out of the 2nd.

But remember for every player that has now moved up, someone must be moved down.

As for Jerry, IMO he is what you said, a guy suited for the power game, not the quickness game our guys play.

In the 1st I could see us going CJ Spiller if he drops or Ryan Mathews.

In the 2nd, I see them going for someone like Mitch Pretus.

And in the 3rd, someone like Amari Spievey, Brandon Ghee, or Trevard Lindley.

That would leave someone like Kam Chancellor, Larry Asante or Darrell Stuckey in the 4th.

Then you hope Cam Thomas fallls to the 5th.

This would be a good draft but not an A+ draft.