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Old 12-17-2009, 12:08 AM
chuck chuck is offline
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A's = Andre Johnson, Demeco Ryans, Brian Cushing.
B's = Mario Williams, Matt Schaub,Bernard Pollard.
C's = Eric Winston,Duane Brown,Owen Daniels,Vonta Leach,Steve Slaton, Chester Pitts.

Incompletes: Conner Barwin, James Casey,Antoine Caldwell,Tim Jamison,Jacoby Jones, Brice McCain.

I was wrong about Cushing, period. Pollard has been close to pro-bowl caliber.
I think you're right on here. I might add Quinn to the list of incompletes.

Does anyone want to take a shot at doing this exercise for, say, the Colts?
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:24 AM
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Going off of the top 15% listed in the beginning of the thread, that means that a guy is in the top 10 of his position (or top 5 for spots with one starter like QB, MLB, LT) etc...

I'll assume that 'B' doubles that to %30. 'C' to top half of starters.

A - top 15% of starters
Mario (not sure what you guys have seen to make you think there are 10 better DEs)
AJ
Daniels (I was wrong before the season when I said he was just a guy, he is as good at getting open as any TE, has good speed, and great hands, I can't name 5 better)
Demeco is a maybe, if he is top 5 it's just barely
I could see Andre Davis here as a special teams/all around guy because he does so many things well (deep threat, return man, great at punt coverage, willing blocker)

B - top third of starters
Cushing
Winston
Duane Brown
Slaton (if counted as a 3rd down back, if not he is not even a C)
schaub

C - top half of starters
Walter
Pollard (not sure what went wrong for him in KC but he is a very solid tackler and good enough in coverage for a SS)
Smith
Glover Quin is close
Dunta


I really don't think the problem is talent. If there is a personell problem it is that not one of these guys is an interior lineman on either side of the ball.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:49 AM
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B - top third of starters
Cushing
How many SAMs stay on the field and cover? His stats in pass defense are outstanding, and he is making a difference in the run game. Name 5 better SAMS?

BTW this is the guy I thought was a wasted pick.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:25 AM
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How many SAMs stay on the field and cover? His stats in pass defense are outstanding, and he is making a difference in the run game. Name 5 better SAMS?

BTW this is the guy I thought was a wasted pick.
He could be top 5. I just wouldn't name him an 'A' player before he has completed a season. I think he performs at that level, but I think injury concerns are still only partially eliminated. Another season at this level and he is not just an 'A' but a first team All-Pro.

I also disliked this pick and happily admit I was totally wrong.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:19 AM
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He could be top 5. I just wouldn't name him an 'A' player before he has completed a season. I think he performs at that level, but I think injury concerns are still only partially eliminated. Another season at this level and he is not just an 'A' but a first team All-Pro.

I also disliked this pick and happily admit I was totally wrong.
Fair enough, the book is only in the 1st chapter, and I too am concerned about his long term health.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:20 PM
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Fair enough, the book is only in the 1st chapter, and I too am concerned about his long term health.
Apparently, according to his mic'd up video against the Seahawks, if Cushing just drinks his milk, he'll be alight.

Milk. It does a linebacker good.

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Old 12-23-2009, 02:21 AM
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My A's would be:

QB- M.Schaub (top 5 QB in my book after P.Manning, T.Brady, P.Rivers, D.Brees - I know this is debatable but there is loads of potential in Schaub and this offense if it only did what it was suppose to do when the regime was originally brought in here and that is to RUN the ball effectively)

WR- A.Johnson (best WR in the league)

TE- O.Daniels (top 3 TE)

MLB- D.Ryans (top 5 MLB)

SLB- B.Cushing (top 3 SLB)

RE- M.Williams (top 5 DE)

B's would be:

SS- B.Pollard (leadership, hard hitting, and very mature)

CB- D.Robinson (physical CB who has only allowed 1 - 100 yard receiver against our D all year)

RT- E.Winston (solid pro)

RB- S.Slaton (say what you will about his sophomore slump but it was never his burst that was missing it was 3 very poor interior offensive linemen and when given the opportunity through the air he excelled, I expect a BIG TIME COMEBACK from him next year)

LG- C.Pitts (it was said before the injury that C.Pitts could start on virtually any other team's squad in the NFL, I personally think it's important to retain him)

C's would be:

PR- J.Jones (this guy is an absolute wild card as numbers showed he was a very efficient receiver this year and is always a dangerous returner whenever his hands are on the ball but the head on his shoulders and fumble concerns can be scary)

LT- D.Brown (in my eyes was in the B-league before our 4 game losing stretch where I feel many of his individual lost battles against his defender led to some critical turnovers and eventual losses for the team, still though the upside can not be denied as he's had a pretty solid overall year)

WLB- Z.Diles & X.Adibi (Z.Diles came back strong from injury and X.Adibi's potential due to his great speed still hasn't been seen yet)

CB-G.Quin (the opportunity to have a 2nd physical corner opposite Dunta with decent coverage skills has shown to help tremendously in our pass defense which quietly has been quite solid statistically all season)

TE- J.Casey (if he can work on blocking to get more playing time on the field his pass catching capabilities give him Owen Daniels like potential if he could just build up that chemistry with Schaub)

DT- A.Okoye (has been disruptive enough to rack up tackles for losses but needs to figure out ways to make more of an effect in the sacks department, I personally think a 2nd stud DT who would require double teams virtually every play next to Amobi would actually tap into the final remnants of Okoye's potential as a dual pass rushing and run stopping threat)

WR- D.Anderson (incredibly underrated slot WR who got open for Schaub in key moments of games and for key 3rd down conversions)

LE- C.Barwin (has potential of developing into a pass rushing specialist)


Aside from this I find everybody else on the Texans roster as either expendable or replaceable. The biggest name of my cuts here is LE-A.Smith. The reason for this is because though he is very solid in what he does for us and our team I don't see how if we ever found that big time NT how A.Smith's responsibilities couldn't be replaced (I say this because I assume a LE's responsibilities would become much easier with a NT that brings in penetration from the middle). With this upcoming DT rich draft and free agent class I don't see how the Texans don't fulfill this need. The other honoroble mention of which I find replaceable is Kevin Walter. I feel as if it's very realistic to find someone with his skill set in the open market. And with that said everyone else can walk and I'm sure we could find an adequate replacement for them.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:45 AM
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I think you're right on here. I might add Quinn to the list of incompletes.

Does anyone want to take a shot at doing this exercise for, say, the Colts?
I forgot to add Quinn. Thank you.

A - Peyton, Wayne, Saturday (is getting old), Clark, Mathis, Freeney, Brackett, Sanders, Vinatieri ,Lilja, Diem
B- Garcon, Addai, Gonzalez, Baskett, Bullitt, Jackson, Brock


INC - Brown

10 rookies

23 players added to roster since SB win.

Now I may have the receivers too high, how much is Peyton improving the young WRs?

That is 17 players I rated an A or B, the Texans had only 12 players I rated A-B-C.
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