Jaques Reeves

[cadams]

if the moves work out that we made this year, i fully expect we will go after a quality safety in next year's draft or free agency

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by cadams

if the moves work out that we made this year, i fully expect we will go after a quality safety in next year's draft or free agency

Here's is my early guy to watch. William Moore #1 Mizzou. FS speed and range with SS size and hitting ability. What a piece to add to our defense. Oh dreams....

[KJ3]

6'1'' 225 4.47 speed. that's pretty good tangibles for a safety to go with the couple of devastating hits (and int ability) on that video! dreams indeed!

i'm not trying to get down on the signing and beat up on reeves but you know a signing could've been better when the two ways it can turn out for the better are 1) if the guy actually plays well or 2) a rookie beats him out.

[Bigtinylittle]

If Smith and Kubiak are as good at judging talent as I am thinking and hoping they are, then signings like Reeves will probably become rarer. But remember this: They took over a team two years ago that was almost completely depleted of talent, especially good second-team talent. It's rally amazing how far Casserly ran the Texans into the ground.

So you have to see the Reeves deal for what it is. Kubes/Smith can only build up the roster so much at a time. After the first five draft picks each year, a team is probably operating on luck more than anything. Sixth and seventh round picks usually don't contribute much in the NFL, even as backups.

So Kubes and Smith only have 5 draftees a year to add. Significantly, almost every one of those choices has contributed so far. That's what makes me so optimistic about the Texans. If the guys running the organization are astute judges of talent, then a consistent winning program is almost inevitable.

The key is, it is probably going to take some time. We still have a lot of holes to fill. And losing players like Spencer and possibly Robinson doesn't make it any easier.

If we don't need or want Reeves next year, the dead money after one year for his contract, as I understand it, is only 3 million or so. That is cheap considering he is a cornerback.

In evaluating whether it was a bad deal, the only thing to consider is whether we could have gotten Reeves for a lot less, or whether we could have gotten a better deal by going with another cornerback. Whether Reeves is being overpaid for the production he will give us is really irrelevant to the situation. The only thing worth considering is what were the alternatives. We were very thin at CB without Dunta, and Smith/Kubiak did something about it.

At this point, I'm thinking CB probably won't be one of our very weakest positions. Considering that it is one of the most critical positions on the field, that makes me happy with the deal.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

If Smith and Kubiak are as good at judging talent as I am thinking and hoping they are, then signings like Reeves will probably become rarer.

it's about 1 a year for them. it's not terrible but it's not like the "meh" contracts are non-existant.

So you have to see the Reeves deal for what it is.

i think you should probably look at what we are saying before you go on another 7 paragraph schtick. i don't think anyone here is out-of-the-know on this. reeves was plan b in case plan a fell through. maybe it was "insurance", maybe it was a little bit of overplanning.

If we don't need or want Reeves next year, the dead money after one year for his contract, as I understand it, is only 3 million or so. That is cheap considering he is a cornerback.

In evaluating whether it was a bad deal, the only thing to consider is whether we could have gotten Reeves for a lot less, or whether we could have gotten a better deal by going with another cornerback. Whether Reeves is being overpaid for the production he will give us is really irrelevant to the situation. The only thing worth considering is what were the alternatives. We were very thin at CB without Dunta, and Smith/Kubiak did something about it.

how is contract not a factor in this? because there were alternatives to reeves? wouldn't alternatives make variables like contract terms more relevant? if reeves was considered by a majority of people to be a below average corner in the wrong system who has some workable skills, am i misrepresenting him with that statement? we gave him a deal for an average starting corner...because he deserved it? because that's what they needed him to be? or because the better corners wanted more money? i'm guessing it was the latter. smithiak knew it was taking a corner, upper round of the draft too. my guess is they were down to charles godfrey or molden, regardless they knew the hole was going to be covered with a decent prospect. so why overpay for a guy you expect to be a spot starter/dime corner (if molden turns out well and dunta returns on time)? filling the 4th hole down isn't near as important or pressing as filling one of the two starting holes.

At this point, I'm thinking CB probably won't be one of our very weakest positions. Considering that it is one of the most critical positions on the field, that makes me happy with the deal.

man why don't me and you just have a big disagreeing session? haha...

considering our best CB won't be around for a while, our 2nd best CB has a ton of potential to prove, our 3rd CB is widely known as a piece of toast, and our 4th is a rookie who also has potential the only other group i would put lower on the totem pole is RB.

[Bigtinylittle]

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. You seem to think Kubiak made the wrong move. Do you think we should have gotten an elite corner? You say getting Reeves might be overplanning. What is it exactly that you would have done?

[NBT]

From what I have been able to gather about Reeves, he is fast with good hip turn, it is just that he likes to free lance too much and doesn't stay within the defense called. That may not be exact, but that is the inference I get from all the Dallas negativism. Of course I think our defensive secondary coaches are better than those of Dallas, so I think they will be able to get Reeves to buy in to the plan better than Dallas did. Having said that, I am going to be a little nervous about Reeves until he seems to prove himself in our system. It is good that we have a youngster like Moulden waiting in the wings.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. You seem to think Kubiak made the wrong move. Do you think we should have gotten an elite corner? You say getting Reeves might be overplanning. What is it exactly that you would have done?

nah, i won't call it a wrong move but i do think it was overplanning. we basically went after a mid to low level cb, gave him a pretty decent contract (that is fair for both sides, i didn't realize before this thread how favorable the texans made it for themselves) when we all knew that CB or LT was going to be one of the 1st 2 picks in the draft. and look, we got a guy i'm positive they had a huge target on with our 2nd pick and he's turning a few heads already.

so, what would i have done? maybe go after a guy who immediately starts without question (probably spend a little extra to get it) and target someone else with the 3rd round pick spent on molden? maybe a DE or a Safety? i don't know, i'm not upset or anything about reeves but if he proves to be unnecessary or just plain bad then keith will have part of an answer to his question of months past: what exactly has smith done as GM? not given out stupid contracts, for one.

i still think the CB group is among the worst on our team though. dunta's return will help, an actual defensive system will help, new coaches will help, better and more consistent pass rush will help but i'm not going to count on them to change games much. that way i won't be disappointed in mediocrity and will be pleasantly surprised with any break-out performances cough::fred::cough