Dunta Watch 2009 - Page 3

NBT · #41 08-10-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

I think Mike's point was more than fair. The franchise tag is a useful tool, but any GM that uses it has to be wary of a holdout. I don't think either side (management or Dunta) is being unreasonable, but the vehement reaction from fans surprises me. Dunta has certainly not worn out his welcome with me and likely not with his teammates or management. When I see bluster about how we should not try to bring him back or that he's worn out his welcome, the same thing Mike said goes through my mind.

Everbody is entitled to their own opinion, and we all know that's all it is. What I didn't like was Mike getting personal, so I replied in the same vein.

What exactly is Dunta's problem? He was offered a contract which would pay him in the top 2 to 3% of the league, and a $23M guarantee. Then when that wasn't acceptable the Texans put the F-tag on him for $9.7M big ones. Nothing wrong there. NO, what Dunta doesn't like is the F-tag thing. Nothing personal in that, the Texans just protecting their investment until Dunta figures out what he really does want. So he flies off the handle at that. He can't have it both ways. He is hurting himself and the team because he doesn't want to be F-tagged next year too. Now he gets unreasonable. And that is what bothers me.

kravix · #42 08-11-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

That was uncalled for. Just because we as fans, who are entitled to our own opinion just as you are, do not agree with the lack of a resolution to negotiations between Dunta and the Texans does not in any way qualify anyone as a bigot.

That said, it is not just the fans that are pondering this. I cant find the quote, but it is a recent article on the main site, Carucci goes on record as perplexed to the reasons DRob would turn down top monies. Glenn Earl said as much on 610 the other day, which I am sure in on their podcasts.

Dunta is not a probowl player, pre injury he was maybe a top 10 CB, but at this point no one knows if he could even return to that. To turn down the offer, which has been reported, is not even close to condusive to the calibre of player he is. The more I think about it, the more i wish the team hadnt tagged him. Although there are some really really dumb franchises out there, I cant think of a single one that would have offered a non probowl player who had just suffered a potentialy career ending injury they reported sum the Texans did.

If he comes back and becomes a probowler, sweet. If he comes back and plays the way he has every year, not worth 10M IMO. Its pure speculation at this point either way.

The sad fact is, the Texans have been so defunt in talent over the years that even one really good player is a god. If it were C/C then he would have gotten paid, but its not. Its K/S who are more interested in building a team than a "support a medicore player foundation".

cadams · #43 08-11-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

No need for this.

Mike · #44 08-11-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cadams

No need for this.

The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.

NBT · #45 08-11-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

I can't believe you have chosen to make such a vendetta out of someones opinion. You don't have a magic wand that tells you how someone really feels, especially since all you'er doing is reading posts, not talking to the individual themselves. I am going to say one more thing about this and then you can rant all you want, I will not respond further. I have been a supporter of pro football in Houston since probably before you were born. As for being a "hater", I'm afraid I will just have to pass that one to you.

barrett · #46 08-11-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.

Actually it seems like a great discussion for a message board that is based on sharing opinions. If you are so bothered by someone else's opinion that you turn to insults, try staying out of the thread.

And for what it's worth, I agreed with you until that last post. I just happened to think NBT can be upset about Dunta if he feels like it.

I also think there are probably players on the Texans who are feeling less than positive towards Dunta right now, and if he does not report in time to be ready for week 1 (at least 2 weeks out), I bet most of the team has a problem with him.

papabear · #47 08-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Well my opinion is that my virtual penis is bigger than yours

nunusguy · #48 08-21-2009, 06:56 AM

I dunno, wonder when D-Rob makes his grand entrance to the Texans practice field before the start of the regular season ? Will it be sometime in the next couple weeks between now and the final preseason game, or does he wait until the Labor-Day week leading up to the Jets home-opener ?

painekiller · #49 08-21-2009, 09:40 AM

IMO now that 2 a days are over, he will be in soon. I hope.

If he waits until labor day, then I'm POed and thinking about either rescinding his franchise tag, or I am thinking of a trade as soon as he signs.

NBT · #50 08-21-2009, 10:16 AM

Trouble is, as it stands now, you would think that other teams would have been calling, inquiring about a sign & trade deal. That doesn't seem to have been the case, so me thinks DR may be overvaluing himself in this market. JMHO.

painekiller · #51 08-21-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

JMHO.

I don't think you are the only one thinking this, me thinks so too.

Bigtinylittle · #52 08-21-2009, 01:05 PM

My theory is that just like Favre, he didn't want the wear and tear on his body that comes from two-a-days, and decided to skip them. That strategy worked in nicely with his effort to avoid a franchise tag next year. I hope that the Texans don't give in on that.

nero THE zero · #53 08-21-2009, 02:08 PM

Dunta has said that if the Texans do not promise to not franchise him again next season (which they won't,) he will be here for the opener. He has to be in the Monday (Sept. 7, Labor Day) prior to the first game in order to get paid for the first game.

According to my calculations, he'll be here on Labor Day.

Dennis2112 · #54 08-22-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Dunta has said that if the Texans do not promise to not franchise him again next season (which they won't,) he will be here for the opener. He has to be in the Monday (Sept. 7, Labor Day) prior to the first game in order to get paid for the first game.

According to my calculations, he'll be here on Labor Day.

I just think that will not go over too well with many of his teammates.

popanot · #55 08-22-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis2112

I just think that will not go over too well with many of his teammates.

I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity, and while they all may not be selfish or take the same route as DR, they understand they need make as much as they can when they can. As for DR, I know it's a longshot, but my hope is they find a couple guys who can play well enough to let DR sit on the pine for awhile or at least force him into the nickel role. That would screw him over pretty good for next year.

NBT · #56 08-22-2009, 12:28 PM

I know he has been working out somewhere, but not going 1 on 1 with NFL type receivers (they are all in camps). I don't see how he can be that sharp if he doesn't report until the first game.

edo783 · #57 08-22-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

I know he has been working out somewhere, but not going 1 on 1 with NFL type receivers (they are all in camps). I don't see how he can be that sharp if he doesn't report until the first game.

He can't be and that means we will actually be spending MORE than 10 million on him. For 10 million you expect him to be fully up and going from game one through 16. If he isn't you are spending more than you thought you would because your getting less than what you are paying for.

barrett · #58 08-22-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity, and while they all may not be selfish or take the same route as DR, they understand they need make as much as they can when they can. As for DR, I know it's a longshot, but my hope is they find a couple guys who can play well enough to let DR sit on the pine for awhile or at least force him into the nickel role. That would screw him over pretty good for next year.

Some teammates will have a problem. Some will not. And the longer he goes without reporting when contract negotiations are no longer even possible, the less the team will be on his side.

nunusguy · #59 08-23-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by popanot

I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity

Actually they're all of the same union and Smith, Kubiak, & McNair are the Company. And it's a union/company matter so I'd imagine the Texans' players to a man support Robinson, especially if they know there's some truth to reports that Smith promished not to tag Robinson.

NBT · #60 08-23-2009, 01:42 PM

Smith may have said they would not put the F-tag on him when they were deep in negotiation for a new long term contract. When Dunta's side started playing hardball, so did Smith. Besides it is just good business. As I have said before, Dunta cannot have it both ways.