3 Round Mock draft

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

How many teams are running ZB scheme now? Serious question.

While Woods would fit the ZBS, he's not a guy who can ONLY play in a ZBS. Any team who wants a C could plug him in. Most of the time, a ZBS C is a light guy like Nalen or McClure.

[NBT]

Draft Vaughn, forget about Chung!

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I can see now that I'm going to have to do this all over again.

Okay, and this time I inserted a 4th round and made some changes. Please review.

1st round
1 Det QB Matt Stafford - 1
2 StL LT Eugene Monroe - 8
3 KC ILB Aaron Curry - 4
4 Sea LT Jason Smith - 2
5 Cle OLB Brian Orakpo - 13
6 Cinci DE Everette Brown - 43 Big Miss on my part
7 Oak DT BJ Raji - 9
8 Jax QB Mark Sanchez - 5 I had this right to begin with but moved him down.
9 GB OLB Aaron Maybin - 11
10 SF OT Michael Oher - 23 That was a bit high now looking back at it.
11 Buf DE Connor Barwin - 46 Yeah, I'm happy to be wrong about this pick.
12 Den CB Malcolm Jenkins - 14
13 Was OT Andre Smith - 6 Well, he didn't slip as much as I thought.
14 NO CB Vontae Davis - 25 Could be great could flop.
15 Hou OLB Clay Matthews - 26 I drank the kool aid. I knew not to listen to John McClain.
16 SD ILB Rey Maualuga - 38 I still believe the Chargers blew this one.
17 NYJ WR Michael Crabtree - 10 I thought he'd slip, just not so much it appears.
18 Den ILB Brian Cushing - 15 I wonder if we considered trading down, but thought we'd lose our guy.
19 TB DE Michael Johnson - 70 There aren't that many owners in the NFL like Al Davis.
20 Det OT Ebon Britton - 39 The Jags got good value in my opinion.
21 Phi TE Brandon Pettigrew - 20 Not too far off
22 Minn WR Jeremy Maclin - 19
23 NEP CB Darius Butler - 41 New England waited and still got their guy
24 Atl DT Peria Jerry - 24 Nailed it!
25 Mia WR Percy Harvin - 22
26 Bal ILB James Laurinaitis - 35
27 Ind DT Ziggy Hood - 32
28 Phi WR Hakeem Nicks - 29 Just missed.
29 NYG WR Darius Heyward-Bey - 7 Should have listend to Michael Lombardi on this one.
30 Tenn DE Robert Ayers - 18
31 Arz RB Knowshon Moreno - 12 The need of defensive players led me down this path
32 Pitt DE Tyson Jackson - 3 Are you freakin' kidding me?

2nd round
33 Det CB Alphonso Smith - 37
34 NEP OT William Beatty - 60 This is when I was expecting a reach on OTs
35 StL RB Donald Brown - 27 I even knew this guy had 1st round talent.
36 Cle RB Beannie Wells - 31
37 Sea QB Josh Freeman - 19 Predicting when a QB will be selected is hard work.
38 Cinci OC Alex Mack - 21 My apologies to the Mack family.
39 Jax OT Jamon Meredith - 162 I guess I wasn't the only one who took him off the draft board.
40 Oak WR Louis Murphy - 124 This was my Al Davis reach. Big Al took him later - where he should have.
41 GB DT Ron Brace - 40
42 Buf OLB Marcus Freeman - 154 Oh my. Again, I bit on the measurable instead of my eyeballs. I took him off my board, but put him back on.
43 SF OLB Lawrence Sibury - 125 Man is this painful.
44 Mia CB Sean Smith - 61 Right team, right round, wrong pick.
45 NYG TE Jared Cook - 89 Another player I'm glad that I removed from "My guys"
46 Hou S William Moore - 55 I let my emotions get the better of me
47 NEP DE Jarron Gilbert - 68
48 Den SS Patrick Chung - 34
49 Chi WR Brian Robiskie - 36
50 Cle FS Louis Delmas - 33 Everyone loves this guy more than I do.
51 Dal WR Kenny Britt - 30 I was happy to be wrong about this guy.
52 NYJ CB DJ Moore - 119 A CB with slow 40 time - not a good combo
53 Phi OG Max Unger - 49 At least I knew we would pass on him.
54 Minn CB Asher Allen - 86 Another emotional pick
55 Atl OLB Clint Sintim - 45
56 Mia OLB Larry English - 16 I'm not a fan
57 Bal TE James Casey - 152 Wow, give Rick Smith a raise people.
58 NEP OC Eric Wood - 28 Now who said he was a 4th rounder?
59 Car DE Paul Kruger - 57
60 NYG RB LeSean McCoy - 53
61 Ind DT Sen'Derrick Marks - 62 Just a bit outside
62 Tenn OG Duke Robinson - 163 I was hoping they'd reach
63 Arz DE Fili Moala - 56
64 Pitt CB Keenan Lewis - 96 Right team, wrong round.

3rd round
65 Det MLB Darry Beckwith - Undrafted Free Agent. Could we please get his agent on the phone?
66 StL WR Juaquin Iglesias - 99
67 KC RB Andre Brown -129 Who would think KC would take another RB so early? Oh yeah, me.
68 Sea FS Darcel McBath - 48
69 Dal OT Phil Loadholt - 54
70 Cinci RB Shonn Greene - 65 That's why the JETS moved up.
71 Oak FS Rashad Johnson - 95
72 Jax DT Dorrell Scott - 103 They took a different DT (a guy I wanted in the 6th round)
73 GB RB Rashad Jennings - 250 This guy must have a LOT of baggage.
74 SF QB Rhett Bomar - 151 Another QB to f'ckd things up.
75 Buf TE Chase Coffman - 98
76 NYJ RB Javon Ringer - 173 Titans got a steal
77 Hou S Chip Vaughn - 116 Perhaps I shouldn't include the Texans in my mock drafts
78 SD OT Troy Kropog - 135 The OT run didn't happen like I thought.
79 Den TE Shawn Nelson - 121
80 Was WR Mike Thomas - 107 Too short to be this early
81 TB LB Gerald McGrath - 130 Titans got a steal
82 Det S Chris Clemons - 165
83 GB OT Gerald Cadogan - UDFA Glad I took him off my board too!
84 Den DE Alex Magee - 67
85 Phi OT Herman Johnson - 167
86 Minn OG Kraig Urbik - 79
87 Mia FS David Bruton - 114
88 Bal CB Mike Mickens - 227 Did the Cowboys really make me look this bad?
89 NEP WR Jarett Dillard - 144 I think the Jags did well here.
90 Atl TE Travis Beckum - 100
91 NYG LB Jason Williams - 69
92 Ind LB Darnell Ellerbe - UDFA Get Beckwith and this guy together, will ya?
93 Car QB Pat White - 44 Another QB messin with me.
94 Tenn WR Kevin Ogletree - UDFA I'm thinking we can sign him too.
95 Arz LB Tyrone McKenzie - 97 Not too bad
96 Pitt OT Fenuki Tupou - 159 I'm really off on the OTs
97 NEP OLB Cody Brown - 63 I thought I was one of the few who liked him that much.
98 Cinci MLB Scott McKillop - 146
99 Chi OC Antoine Caldwell - 77 Looks like Gibbs didn't think he'd last until the 4th round pick either.
100 NYG OG Andy Levitre - 51 My apologies to the Levitre family.

4th round
101 Dal SS Mike Hamlin - 166 Right team, wrong round.
102 KC OLB David Veikune - 52 Browns (I'm still calling that a reach)
103 StL CB Chris Owens - 90
104 Cle DE Mitch King - UDFA I thought somebody would like him
105 Sea CB Jairus Byrd - 42
106 Cinci OT Sebastian Vollmer - 58 That's 2 that I was late on.
107 Jax WR Kenny McKinley - 141
108 Mia ILB Jasper Brinkley - 150
109 GB CB Coye Francies - 191
110 Buf FS C.J. Spillman - UDFA
111 SF CB Morgan Trent - 179
112 Hou RB Cedric Peerman - 185
113 SD DT Ricky Jean-Francois - 244 WOW! I thought somebody would have bought him earlier.
114 Den DT Corvey Irvin - 93
115 NYJ QB Stephen McGee - 101
116 NO RB Glen Coffee - 74
117 Dal LB Zack Follett - 235 Big miss on my part.
118 NO OLB Jonathan Casillas - UDFA
119 Chi OT Joel Bell - UDFA
120 TB CB Captain Munnerlyn - 216 Now can you see why I didn't do more than 4 rounds?
121 Phi FS Sherrod Martin - 59
122 Hou CB Kevin Barnes - 80
123 Bal DE Kyle Moore - 117
124 NEP CB Victor Harris - 157 I hate slow CBs
125 Atl SS Emanual Cook - UDFA
126 Oak TE Cornelius Ingram - 153
127 Ind OG Trevor Canfield - 254
128 Car OG T.J. Lang - 109
129 NYG K Louie Sakoda - UDFA I hate predicting Kickers too.
130 Tenn CB Brandon Hughes - 148
131 Arz TE Cameron Morrah - 248 Almost a UDFA
132 Pitt OG Tyronne Green - 133 Almost a hit!
133 SD RB Kory Sheets - UDFA Never underestimate off field concerns.
134 SD SS Courtney Greene - 245 Almost a UDFA
135 Tenn DT Terrence Taylor - 136 Almost a Hit!
136 Ind DE Matt Shaughnessy - 71 Big Al did me again.

The lesson I learned here is NEVER do more than 3 rounds. Secondly, stick with your gut instincts on YOUR draft board. The guy that you want in the 2nd round may very well be there in the 4th round. Lastly, nobody knows nothing until after the draft. It's easy to come in and cherry pick who you could have gotten in the 7th round after the fact. Also, those hidden gems are there because everybody else is looking for something completely different on the 2nd day. I had a draft board of 67 players, but could have filled my slots with what I considered 5th round talent, or better with a draft board of 48. I thought Moore, Vaughn, and Brown were all 2nd round talented players and could have drafted all three of them after getting what I considered the 6th best player in the draft (3rd best for our roster). In fact, I could have traded down to 42 and gotten him along with more draft picks. That's why the Professionals get paid the big bucks.

[gunn]

I don't know about the order in which you have them, but I like the collection of players you have in the first 4 rounds Roy.

[Roy P]

I don't know if it is my subconcious or not, but I just went and compared my draft board vs. my mock draft and I would have made every pick that I projected for the Texans except for the #122. Interestingly enough, I would have drafted DE Kyle Moore if the draft went this way and I had the team right after us drafting him.

[dalemurphy]

Man, I just don't think I could leave Unger and EWood sitting there in the second round, not with Studdard and CWhite as my primary backups for a less than stellar group of starting interior olinemen... And, I would also have a hard time passing up LEnglish and Sintim.

To simplify, we gotta trade down out of 15 and collect a bucket full of second and third round picks!

[mussop]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Man, I just don't think I could leave Unger and EWood sitting there in the second round, not with Studdard and CWhite as my primary backups for a less than stellar group of starting interior olinemen... And, I would also have a hard time passing up LEnglish and Sintim.

To simplify, we gotta trade down out of 15 and collect a bucket full of second and third round picks!

I totally agree on both counts. If we have a chance in the second round to solidify the middle of our offensive line with a player that can play at a very high level for the next ten or twelve years then we would be crazy to pass him up. Hell Im ok with trading down and taking one with my first pick.

[NBT]

Not too bad a mock. I am especially mindful of Ced Peerman. As for the buckets of 2nd & 3rd rounders for trading down from #15, don't hold your breath.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Man, I just don't think I could leave Unger and EWood sitting there in the second round, not with Studdard and CWhite as my primary backups for a less than stellar group of starting interior olinemen... And, I would also have a hard time passing up LEnglish and Sintim.

To simplify, we gotta trade down out of 15 and collect a bucket full of second and third round picks!

So you would rather pick up Unger to make our backups better? There may be more priority in making the starting Secondary improved from last season.

I think the bigger bang for the buck is to have a playmaker on the field for all three downs rather than a guy who comes in on passing situations only. Now, if you think English or Sintim can play the SAM on first and 2nd down, then you might have an argument. I just think that they may be more of a liability in space on 1st and 2nd down as a SAM than they make a positive impact on 3rd down.

I won't argue that these players have talent, I'm just trying to think who makes the TEAM better overall.

[Roy P]

Since there was a trade with Buf and Phi, I thought I'd update my first round to reflect that move....

1 Det QB Matt Stafford
2 StL LT Eugene Monroe
3 KC LT Jason Smith
4 Sea ILB Aaron Curry
5 Cle QB Mark Sanchez
6 Cinci DT BJ Raji
7 Oak OLB Brian Orakpo
8 Jax WR Michael Crabtree
9 GB OT Michael Oher
10 SF CB Malcolm Jenkins
11 Buf DE Everette Brown
12 Den OLB Aaron Maybin
13 Was OT Andre Smith
14 NO OLB Brian Cushing
15 Hou OLB Clay Matthews
16 SD ILB Rey Maualuga
17 NYJ DE Tyson Jackson
18 Den OLB Connor Barwin
19 TB QB Josh Freeman
20 Det DE Robert Ayers
21 Phi TE Brandon Pettigrew
22 Minn WR Jeremy Maclin
23 NEP CB Vontae Davis
24 Atl DE Michael Johnson
25 Mia WR Hakeem Nicks
26 Bal ILB James Laurinaitis
27 Ind DT Peria Jerry
28 Buf OT Ebon Britton
29 NYG WR Darius Heyward-Bey
30 Tenn DT Ziggy Hood
31 Arz RB Knowshon Moreno
32 Pitt OG Max Unger

[James]

If Cleveland drafts Mark Sanchez I'll eat my own nose.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by James

If Cleveland drafts Mark Sanchez I'll eat my own nose.

If no backs go until 31, the NFL has changed a lot more than I realized.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by James

If Cleveland drafts Mark Sanchez I'll eat my own nose.

They may have to when they trade Brady Quinn.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

If no backs go until 31, the NFL has changed a lot more than I realized.

We shall see. Perhaps one goes at #27, then #31.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

So you would rather pick up Unger to make our backups better? There may be more priority in making the starting Secondary improved from last season.

I think the bigger bang for the buck is to have a playmaker on the field for all three downs rather than a guy who comes in on passing situations only. Now, if you think English or Sintim can play the SAM on first and 2nd down, then you might have an argument. I just think that they may be more of a liability in space on 1st and 2nd down as a SAM than they make a positive impact on 3rd down.

I won't argue that these players have talent, I'm just trying to think who makes the TEAM better overall.

It seems like you are working off a lot of assumptions... For instance, the assumption that Unger can't beat out CMyers in the near future. Or, the assumption that our three interior olmen will all not miss time this year. Or, Chester Pitts will be re-signed before next season.

Even assuming all of that, I just don't think you can draft for immediate impact. Just take good players, particularly at positions where your depth is bad and then let competition, injuries, etc... work itself out.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Oh BTW they both have better cover skills then any safety we have had.

You really think Patrick Chung has better coverage skills than Eugene Wilson?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

It seems like you are working off a lot of assumptions... For instance, the assumption that Unger can't beat out CMyers in the near future. Or, the assumption that our three interior olmen will all not miss time this year. Or, Chester Pitts will be re-signed before next season.

Even assuming all of that, I just don't think you can draft for immediate impact. Just take good players, particularly at positions where your depth is bad and then let competition, injuries, etc... work itself out.

Since nobody here works for the Texans, we have to work with assumptions. You don't have to agree with the premise and if you don't, you'll obviously come up with different conclusions.

It appears that you are assuming that Unger will beat out Myers and our interior OL will miss time. That's your perogative.

[Blitzwood]

Roy,

Don't you think we should spread our first 5 picks a little more than using 3 on DB's, especially since we still haven't seen what Barber and Molden are capable of doing?

I like the players, but don't know if they'll be riding the bench like the previous players mentioned were last year. Kubiak has some strange commitments to play players that is mindbogglingly, IMO.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Roy,

Don't you think we should spread our first 5 picks a little more than using 3 on DB's, especially since we still haven't seen what Barber and Molden are capable of doing?

I've seen enough of Barber to know that he can be upgraded. If I had a chance to draft Troy Polamalu, I'm not going to pass on him because I have Barber and Harrison on my roster.

As long as I'm uncertain about Dunta Robinson, I don't mind adding a CB via the draft.

Now, my point of emphasis is to take the BPA during the draft. If they happen to be DBs, then so be it.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I've seen enough of Barber to know that he can be upgraded. If I had a chance to draft Troy Polamalu, I'm not going to pass on him because I have Barber and Harrison on my roster.

We'd probably never know we had a T.Polamalu because he'd be rinding the bench while some overpaid journeyman got the minutes.

That's the point.