Mid-Round RB: Who Ya Want?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

What about picking higher, maybe trying to get to a late 1st or early 2nd round pick ? What would the cost be? Remember future picks could be in play?

Are you suggesting we trade up for Donald?

Hmm....

#28 now belongs to the Bills and Marshawn Lynch has a suspension coming up. #27 is the Colts' and Joseph Addai has had his issues. #29 is the Giants who may be thinking that they are only a Big WR away, so they might not be wanting to trade down to #46. Everyone knows that Arizona wants a RB, so I'm not thinking they move out. I'm not giving Tennessee extra picks. Pittsburgh might be too late.

So, my best option is hoping the Colts pass on him or take Knowshon Moreno and the Bills trade out of their new pick for two more picks in which they can get A. Brown. It's going to cost me #46 and #77 for a total of 645 points to do that. They might go for this year's second round pick and next year's 2nd. What ya think?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

So, my best option is hoping the Colts pass on him or take Knowshon Moreno and the Bills trade out of their new pick for two more picks in which they can get A. Brown. It's going to cost me #46 and #77 for a total of 645 points to do that. They might go for this year's second round pick and next year's 2nd. What ya think?

I am almost thinking I would make that offer to Indy, and grab the Donald at 27.

How about a trading down from 15 to the low 20's, get's a 3rd, and then make the offer to Indy of #46 and next years 2nd for 27? ...

Wait, this just in. DraftDaddy.com has a 2 round mock and guess what?

We get Malcolm Jenkins and Donald Brown. Brown at #46. I don't see it.

[machoneil]

We'll get Brown on one of our trade down acquisitions

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am almost thinking I would make that offer to Indy, and grab the Donald at 27.

How about a trading down from 15 to the low 20's, get's a 3rd, and then make the offer to Indy of #46 and next years 2nd for 27? ...

Wait, this just in. DraftDaddy.com has a 2 round mock and guess what?

We get Malcolm Jenkins and Donald Brown. Brown at #46. I don't see it.

The trade down option may be there or not. If Everette Brown is still on the board, I'm not trading down. If we get to the low 20's I'm hoping Clay Matthews, Peria Jerry, or Vontae Daivs is the pick. I know you rate Ziggy higher, but I'm a little cautious about him that high. I've seen him moving up draft boards (up to #26 but as low at #37) but he may be climbing more because of his Combine numbers rather than his game film. The good thing about trading down is we would still have a 3rd round pick. That way we could end up with Mathews, Brown, and Vaughn.

Donald Brown at #46? Do they have a bridge for sale too?

[Blitzwood]

I don't think our first rounder will be a situational guy, but more of a starter or tandem RB player, I could see us going with Mack, Woods, Oher, Maclin, or Wells on offense or on defense going with Matthews, Sintim, Jenkins, Butler, Gilbert, Jerry, Hood, or Cushings.

My Mid round RB preferences:
1. S. Greene
2. Andre Brown
2b. Jennings
3. James Davis
4. G. Coffee

Sleeper RB is Herb Donaldson from W. Illinois
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3n26z6Zr98

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

My Mid round RB preferences:
1. S. Greene
2. Andre Brown
2b. Jennings
3. James Davis
4. G. Coffee

Sleeper RB is Herb Donaldson from W. Illinois
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3n26z6Zr98

I don't think that the 2nd round qualifies as "mid round" and that's what Greene and Brown are starting to look like. Jennings might be available in the 3rd round.

I was hot on Donaldson early on, but then his Combine cooled me off after running a 4.68. The same goes for Gartrell Johnson and his 4.75. If I want a slow cruise liner, Arian Foster is a 4.68 guy.

My super duper deepity deep dark horse is Tyler Roehl from North Dakota State. He's a FB/HB/RB hybrid. I call him a shorter Brian Leonard.

[HPF Bob]

Peerman scares me because I ask where was that speed when he was on the playing field? I'd be alright with Brown/Green/Jennings based on whom the Texans believe is the best choice. While Casserly became easy to predict, the Rick Smith era has not been for me other than he seems to like ACC/Big East guys and he has a knack for taking guys who weren't anywhere near my radar.

Thinking outside the box, here are two names to consider as contingencies.

Javorskie Lane probably won't have his name called until the 6th or 7th round but if you want a guy who moves the pile, he certainly can. He would have to be a short-yardage only guy but there are few I would trust more to get me one yard I absolutely had to get - that is, until he eats half of Sharpstown.

Judging by the fact that he signed three FA running backs in the off-season and spent yesterday singing the praises of Peyton Hillis, I'm guessing McDaniels will not be keeping Selvyn Young on the Broncos. Young's proved that, when healthy, he's a legit all-purpose back in a ZBS offense and he would be a cheap back-up for Slaton who will have the offense picked up in no time. He's not an answer to the short-yardage issue but he would be good insurance and wouldn't cost as much as the Chris Brown signing last year. He's also a Houston product so he wouldn't be hard to sign.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Keith

thought to be off the board by the Texans' second round pick (though I think he is completely overrated that high and really a poor, poor pick for what the Texans offense needs).


And of course, "other", if you want someone else.

Originally Posted by Roy P

I don't think that the 2nd round qualifies as "mid round" and that's what Greene and Brown are starting to look like. Jennings might be available in the 3rd round.

I was hot on Donaldson early on, but then his Combine cooled me off after running a 4.68. The same goes for Gartrell Johnson and his 4.75. If I want a slow cruise liner, Arian Foster is a 4.68 guy.

Roy, I was keeping with Keith's original post as to who will be there when our 2nd round pick is on the clock, I'm sorry you feel that the 2nd round doesn't "qualify" as a mid rounder....


I'm not looking for a sub 4.5 RB in the mid-rounds, I want a thumper that can punch it in on goalline and short yardage situations. If I take a "thumper" in the second or third, then I would look at J. Williams, a local product, as insurance for Slaton.

A. Foster does too much dancing for a guy his size, IMO, and had some ball security issues in 08. I like H. Donaldson's toughness and determination fighting off tackles. He's got a nice stiff arm and is tough to bring down.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Javorskie Lane probably won't have his name called until the 6th or 7th round but if you want a guy who moves the pile, he certainly can. He would have to be a short-yardage only guy but there are few I would trust more to get me one yard I absolutely had to get - that is, until he eats half of Sharpstown.

I have not seen any talk about Lane since the all star games. And then it was what a shame he could/would not stop eating.

I do not see him being pick by any one.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Jennings might be available in the 3rd round.

I keep watching the Senior Bowl practices, since Liberty didn't have many games on T.V., and Jennings is not impressing me much. I keep seeing him run high and getting knocked over by "thumps" that the defense is allowed to do in practice. At first, I let is slide when I saw Cushing de-cleat him on a run. However, when Sherrod Martin gives you a love tap and you fall over like Ronnie Lott just tagged you, I start to worry.

If we don't get a Moreno or Brown early, I am starting to think that there is really 3 guys to target afterwards. Andre Brown, Shonn Greene, or Javarris Williams. Brown and Greene might have to be 2nd round targets, only a miracle would allow one to be available at #77,

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If we don't get a Moreno or Brown early, I am starting to think that there is really 3 guys to target afterwards. Andre Brown, Shonn Greene, or Javarris Williams. Brown and Greene might have to be 2nd round targets, only a miracle would allow one to be available at #77,

That is the way I read it also. I think/hope we go Mathews/A. brown/Sidbury in the first three. Then take the best FS left and then a SS with the 2 4s. Then an OC, then a Guard and then finish with the BPA. If it happened to fall that way I would be one happy camper.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

My super duper deepity deep dark horse is Tyler Roehl from North Dakota State. He's a FB/HB/RB hybrid. I call him a shorter Brian Leonard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNk8EDKFCw&NR=1

263 yards vs. Minnesota

I'll see your 30 reps and raise you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7cGNeMHQA

[bckey]

OK. I'll go all in!

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am almost thinking I would make that offer to Indy, and grab the Donald at 27.

I don't know if you have seen this, but it's priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCKz...eature=related

Watch what he does to Clint Sintim at 0:51 of this thing.

Then at 1:05 Sintim has him wrapped up in the backfield, oh no he didn't.

It's like when I was a little kid and watched Tony Dorsett at Pittsburgh. Somebody is going to be happy to have this guy on draft day.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I don't know if you have seen this, but it's priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCKz...eature=related

Watch what he does to Clint Sintim at 0:51 of this thing.

Then at 1:05 Sintim has him wrapped up in the backfield, oh no he didn't.

It's like when I was a little kid and watched Tony Dorsett at Pittsburgh. Somebody is going to be happy to have this guy on draft day.

And I am hoping it's not Indy, would not mind him going to the Cards.

[TexanJedi]

I would like Andre Brown if we can get him in round 3, not as much in round 2. Otherwise I would rather wait for Glen Coffee in the 4th or 5th.

[nero THE zero]

If we're talking mid-rounders, and that excludes A. Brown, D. Brown, S. Greene, K. Moreno, and C. Wells, my preferences are:

1. C. Peerman
2. R. Jennings
3. G. Coffee

But, I would rather take Moreno in the first or Brown in the last first/second (via trade down, not up.) In fact, I'd prefer to trade out of the first round completely for a future first, though that's a different discussion for a different day.

And, FWIW, here are LZ's positional rankings:

Here are my ratings on the offensive side of the ball for the top ten players per position. Keep in mind these ratings reflect my opinion of their draft grade rather than where I think they will be drafted or what order they will be drafted in. This is the order I think they should be drafted in.

Running Backs
1. Knowshon Moreno - Georgia - Top 15
2. Chris "Beanie" Wells - Ohio State - 1st
3. Donald Brown - UConn - 2nd
4. Shonn Green - Iowa - 2nd
5. Rashad Jennings - Liberty - 2nd/3rd
6. LeSean McCoy - Pitt - 2nd/3rd
7. Andre Brown - NC State - 3rd
8. Javon Ringer - Michigan State - 3rd/4th
9. Cedric Peerman - Virginia - 3rd/4th
10. Glen Coffee - Alabama - 4th

Overview: This is a very respectable group of running backs with the strength being in rounds 2-4. Moreno is as good as Cadillac Williams when he came out so I think he's going to be a good value pick if he goes outside of the top 10. As for Wells, all the talent in the world is there, but can he stay healthy? Green looked great all season, but my biggest concerns on him are whether he is a one-year wonder and whether he has enough speed to get to the corner against faster NFL defenses. Donald Brown's good toughness and great balance and he would be a terrific value early in the 2nd. Scouts have said that LeSean McCoy has the ability to be the next Reggie Bush but with better skills as a running back. I know Javon Ringer doesn't have the size/speed that teams covet, but I wouldn't be so quick to overlook his productivity during his stay at Michigan State. He's a tougher runner than maybe some give him credit for.

Most Overrated - Andre Brown, N.C. State: I don't really consider Brown to be overrated, but I think he's a 3rd-rounder and not a 2nd where he'll be drafted. To me, it looks like he is shooting up the draft boards based more on his postseason measurements than his film. James Davis from Clemson would probably be the most overrated RB in the draft in the truest sense of the world

Possible Steal - Chris Ogbonnaya, Texas: He'll be drafted late if he is drafted at all, but there are several things working in his favor. While his top-end speed is limited and he's not the shiftiest back, his ability to play in zone schemes will create opportunities for him. He has terrific hands out of the backfield and is a willing pass protector. He's also not afraid to put his helmet done and get physical if need be. He could be a better pro than college player.