DraftTek Mock

[Blitzwood]

I got two trades going down, one is the very probable LZ trade with Tampa Bay(15th for the 19th and 81), the second is with Phili, the 19th for the 28th, 85, and 121. Phili has four picks in the fifth as well as their 2nd rounder and feels they can still add some decent depth their while adding the first round talent they covet.

The Texans feel this could be their year and know the value of this draft is in the middle rounds. They know their lack of depth accross the board has hurt them in the past and feel the best way to improve their team in a cost effective way is through the draft.

28. Clint Sintim OLB
46. Rashad Johnson FS
77. Rashad Jennings RB
81. Jonathan Casillas (as our SS)
85. Mike Mickens CB
112. Jason Williams OLB
121. Patrick Turner WR
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Sebastion Vollmer OT
188. Corvey Irvin DT
223. Gantrell Johnson RB

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

28. Clint Sintim OLB
46. Rashad Johnson FS
77. Rashad Jennings RB
81. Jonathan Casillas (as our SS)
85. Mike Mickens CB
112. Jason Williams OLB
121. Patrick Turner WR
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Sebastion Vollmer OT
188. Corvey Irvin DT
223. Gantrell Johnson RB

I noticed that Corvey Irvin went #130 to Tennessee in the DraftTek Mock on 15 April, so I don't know how you got him at #188.

Anyway, using their mock and my board, this was who I got.
28. RB Donald Brown Connecticut
46. S William Moore Missouri
77. S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
81. CB Asher Allen Georgia
85. DE Cody Brown Connecticut
112. DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
121. LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
122. OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
152. DT Roy Miller Texas
188. WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
223. OG Anthony Parker Tennessee

I like that I got my RB early. Granted D. Brown is not exactly Jerome Bettis. I got a pass rusher, upgraded the OL, and even was able to get a LB to compete with Diles. All I needed was a TE to block. Maybe I could get Rutgers' Kevin Brock, Iowa's Brandon Myers, or Michigan's Carson Butler after the draft.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I got two trades going down, one is the very probable LZ trade with Tampa Bay(15th for the 19th and 81), the second is with Phili, the 19th for the 28th, 85, and 121. Phili has four picks in the fifth as well as their 2nd rounder and feels they can still add some decent depth their while adding the first round talent they covet.

The Texans feel this could be their year and know the value of this draft is in the middle rounds. They know their lack of depth accross the board has hurt them in the past and feel the best way to improve their team in a cost effective way is through the draft.

28. Clint Sintim OLB
46. Rashad Johnson FS
77. Rashad Jennings RB
81. Jonathan Casillas (as our SS)
85. Mike Mickens CB
112. Jason Williams OLB
121. Patrick Turner WR
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Sebastion Vollmer OT
188. Corvey Irvin DT
223. Gantrell Johnson RB

I like the double trade down

Let's see how I would play with all of those picks.

28. Percy Harvin WR/RB/KR Florida
46. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
77. Gerald McRath ILB Southern Miss
81. Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest
85. Darcel McBath FS Texas Tech
112. Richard Quinn TE North Carolina
121. Keenan Lewis CB Oregon St
122. A.Q. Shipley OC Penn State
152. Sebastian Vollmer OT Houston
188. Javarris Williams RBF Tennessee State
223. Khalif Mitchell NT East Carolina

[popanot]

That DraftTek mock is a total mess in the 1st round, IMO. Anyway, if we were to get those extra picks I'd try to work a young QB, perhaps Stephen McGee, in there somewhere. I can't believe Orvlosky anything more than a stop-gap backup for us for a year or two.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by popanot

Anyway, if we were to get those extra picks I'd try to work a young QB, perhaps Stephen McGee, in there somewhere. I can't believe Orvlosky anything more than a stop-gap backup for us for a year or two.

Not me, I don't think so. Orlovsky is that young QB. I don't see the Texans adding another drafted QB. They'll probably sign a UDFA and a vet as a practice squad player and a camp arm, respectively.

The Texans don't carry three QBs, and I think Orlovsky is going to make for a pretty nice career backup.

And yeah, that first round from DraftTek does look a little strange, but I have a feeling this year's first round is going to be really strange anyway.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Keith

I don't see the Texans adding another drafted QB. They'll probably sign a UDFA and a vet as a practice squad player and a camp arm, respectively.

UDFA - Rudy Carpenter Arizona State.
Vet - Quinn Gray, do we take another look see?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

UDFA - Rudy Carpenter Arizona State.
Vet - Quinn Gray, do we take another look see?

Gray was ticked off when we did not trade Sage last year, and iirc he did not learn the plays, so Kubiak parted ways, I do not see Gray's actions as being endearing to Kubiak.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Gray was ticked off when we did not trade Sage last year, and iirc he did not learn the plays, so Kubiak parted ways, I do not see Gray's actions as being endearing to Kubiak.

Okay, well what about Oakland's Andrew Walter? They just signed Jeff Garcia so perhaps they let that guy walk?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by popanot

That DraftTek mock is a total mess in the 1st round, IMO. Anyway, if we were to get those extra picks I'd try to work a young QB, perhaps Stephen McGee, in there somewhere. I can't believe Orvlosky anything more than a stop-gap backup for us for a year or two.

Hey, I have been impressed with McGee this off season. As much as I wanted to dislike him, the tape kept saying otherwise. But he is now being talked about in the 3rd or 4th rounds, much to early for a guy they want to slide to the practice squad. (Kubiak has only carried 2 QBs since arriving here).

[Blitzwood]

Well, looks like the 28th pick just got traded to the Bills for Jason Peters OT.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4077093

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I got two trades going down, one is the very probable LZ trade with Tampa Bay(15th for the 19th and 81), the second is with Phili, the 19th for the 28th, 85, and 121. Phili has four picks in the fifth as well as their 2nd rounder and feels they can still add some decent depth their while adding the first round talent they covet.

The Texans feel this could be their year and know the value of this draft is in the middle rounds. They know their lack of depth accross the board has hurt them in the past and feel the best way to improve their team in a cost effective way is through the draft.

28. Clint Sintim OLB
46. Rashad Johnson FS
77. Rashad Jennings RB
81. Jonathan Casillas (as our SS)
85. Mike Mickens CB
112. Jason Williams OLB
121. Patrick Turner WR
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Sebastion Vollmer OT
188. Corvey Irvin DT
223. Gantrell Johnson RB

I'm going to substitute Phili for the NY Giants(29th, 91, and 100) since there is a real possibility of us trading down twice in this draft.
From the 4/18 version.

29. Eric Woods C/OG
46. Fili Moala DT
77. Mike Mickens CB
81. Jason Williams OLB
91. Rashad Jennings RB
100. Ricky Jean-Francois DT/DE
112. Zack Follett OLB
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Chris Clemons FS
188. Johnny Knox WR
223. Dallas Reynolds OL

UDFA Gartrell Johnson RB
UDFA Darrell Mack RB
UDFA Terence Moore FS/SS

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I'm going to substitute Phili for the NY Giants(29th, 91, and 100) since there is a real possibility of us trading down twice in this draft.
From the 4/18 version.

29. Eric Woods C/OG
46. Fili Moala DT
77. Mike Mickens CB
81. Jason Williams OLB
91. Rashad Jennings RB
100. Ricky Jean-Francois DT/DE
112. Zack Follett OLB
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Chris Clemons FS
188. Johnny Knox WR
223. Dallas Reynolds OL

UDFA Gartrell Johnson RB
UDFA Darrell Mack RB
UDFA Terence Moore FS/SS

Going by my old trade value chart, we still need about 174 points to make the trade equitable. That's roughly pick #83 (third round) so the Giants would need to give us next year's 2nd round pick too. So, the only players I see them doing something like that for is Crabtree and maybe Maclin. Now, in the DraftTek Mock, they have Maclin going #15, so I'll play along...

29. RB Donald Brown Connecticut
46. S William Moore Missouri
77. S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
81. CB Asher Allen Georgia
91. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
100. TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
112. DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
122. LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
152. DT Roy Miller Texas
188. WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
223. OG Anthony Parker Tennessee

Now, all I've got to do is convince UDFA Pierre Walters to come to Houston to be my pass-rushing specialist.

edit - Now I see that you were talking about trading down twice with the Tampa Bay Bucs and then the Giants.

Edit #2 - Taking a global look (cherry picking) I could have gotten DE Cody Brown at #81, and then gotten Keenan Lewis at #100, instead of a TE playmaker.

[Blitzwood]

Roy,
Using http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php , I have a difference of 235 points(19=875 ; 29=640)
91=136 points
100=100 points

I'd be nice getting a second rounder next year, but I don't see mathematically getting a 2nd and 2 low 3rds for moving down 10 spots.

I like D.Brown but feel he's too similar to Slaton to be taken in the 1st round. I like your LB selections.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Roy,
Using http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php , I have a difference of 235 points(19=875 ; 29=640)
91=136 points
100=100 points

I'd be nice getting a second rounder next year, but I don't see mathematically getting a 2nd and 2 low 3rds for moving down 10 spots.

I like D.Brown but feel he's too similar to Slaton to be taken in the 1st round. I like your LB selections.

Yeah, I figured that out after I posted. I was thinking #29, #91, & #100 was for #15.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Roy,
Using http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php , I have a difference of 235 points(19=875 ; 29=640)
91=136 points
100=100 points

Just so we are clear. #15 for #19 & #81 from Tampa.

#19 for #29, #91, & #100 from NYG.

Essentially, #81 was the pick that I was missing in the transition between #15 and #29.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I'm going to substitute Phili for the NY Giants(29th, 91, and 100) since there is a real possibility of us trading down twice in this draft.
From the 4/18 version.

29. Eric Woods C/OG
46. Fili Moala DT
77. Mike Mickens CB
81. Jason Williams OLB
91. Rashad Jennings RB
100. Ricky Jean-Francois DT/DE
112. Zack Follett OLB
122. Kyle Moore DE
152. Chris Clemons FS
188. Johnny Knox WR
223. Dallas Reynolds OL

UDFA Gartrell Johnson RB
UDFA Darrell Mack RB
UDFA Terence Moore FS/SS

That's a big letdown of a draft in my opinion.