Would You Give A 3rd Rounder For Jason Taylor?

[NBT]

There ya go Bob, talking like a teasip Texan again. No, No & heck no! There will be other solutions to the DE problem before the season starts, and Ricky Williams.......you've really gotta be kidding.

[HPF Bob]

Who would you rather hand the ball to 20 times a game? Ricky Williams or Ron Dayne? That's all I'm saying. Of course, that assumes Williams is over his injury/motivation problems.

[NBT]

My point exactly.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Texan from KC

Sounds like we basically have a difference of opinion on how well and how long JT's going to play. I think he's got at least a couple of years of high-level playing (with a change of scenery anyway). I think there's still a small chance of him being back with the Dolphins, but I think he'll be a 33 year old man on an 11 year+ mission if he's traded or cut.

And trust me, in two/three years if we can look at Kubiak's list of 3rd round picks and find as few "busts" as you clearly believe we will, I'll be happier than you could know.

i guess we do. i mean i don't think either one of us expects more than two years out of taylor. but will he still be around by the time the team kubiak is putting together (through the draft ) competes for a ring or will he be retired and dancing?

kubiak brings more to the texans from a 3rd round pick than jason taylor ever could.

[RunninRaven]

I would absolutely do a 3rd for Taylor. Quick turnarounds are commonplace in the NFL, and this team was already average to begin with. Adding a defensive pass rusher like Taylor could immediately vault our defense into elite territory. If our offensive weapons stay healthy, that would be enough to make us contenders, I feel. As others have mentioned, putting more pressure on the QB, as Taylor would do, opens things up more for Mario, who is already a handful, and will make things easier on our secondary, which is our biggest weakness on defense. I doubt that it happens, but I think it would be worth it to try.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by RunninRaven

I would absolutely do a 3rd for Taylor. Quick turnarounds are commonplace in the NFL, and this team was already average to begin with. Adding a defensive pass rusher like Taylor could immediately vault our defense into elite territory. If our offensive weapons stay healthy, that would be enough to make us contenders, I feel. As others have mentioned, putting more pressure on the QB, as Taylor would do, opens things up more for Mario, who is already a handful, and will make things easier on our secondary, which is our biggest weakness on defense. I doubt that it happens, but I think it would be worth it to try.

i say you are a homer, and that you are homering all over this post.

taylor might bring us one step closer to elite, but wouldn't put us over the hump so to speak. reggie white might take this texans defense and put it to elite status, but jason taylor does not. perhaps the continued development of mario, amobi, tj, fred bennett, the return to health of dunta/earl to a lesser extent, the blooming of diles, adibi, and molden, and consistent solid play from demps and co. at safety AND jason taylor MIGHT put us up to elite but that's banking off of too many walls for me to believe.

weaver, taylor, mario, amobi, tj....damn that's a lotta cash for 1 line

[Wolf]

I'd trade Weaver for Taylor in a heart beat (weaver has a big contract and so does taylor so you have to even it out)
and maybe a 5th or so on the draft scale

[KJ3]

weaver and a 5th for taylor sounds like a way sweeter deal for us. taylor + weaver on the same line is one expensive position to fill.

[RunninRaven]

Originally Posted by KJ3

i say you are a homer, and that you are homering all over this post.

taylor might bring us one step closer to elite, but wouldn't put us over the hump so to speak. reggie white might take this texans defense and put it to elite status, but jason taylor does not. perhaps the continued development of mario, amobi, tj, fred bennett, the return to health of dunta/earl to a lesser extent, the blooming of diles, adibi, and molden, and consistent solid play from demps and co. at safety AND jason taylor MIGHT put us up to elite but that's banking off of too many walls for me to believe.

weaver, taylor, mario, amobi, tj....damn that's a lotta cash for 1 line

I say you are a negative nelly, and you are negative nellying all over this post.

I had written up a long post explaining why your statement above is being overly critical, but you are not going to be swayed, I can tell, so I won't bother. I will say that I thought I heard on the radio the other day that Taylor stated he will only play one more season. If that is indeed the case, I would not give up a 3rd for him. My willingness to trade a 3rd round pick is contingent on him being here and being productive for 2 more years (which I think he could do...if he was willing).

Let me ask you this, would you be willing to trade Eric Winston for Taylor, straight up?

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by KJ3

weaver and a 5th for taylor sounds like a way sweeter deal for us. taylor + weaver on the same line is one expensive position to fill.

sure it is...and why the Dolphins wouldn't consider it. a 5th plus a worthless player for Taylor isn't too enticing.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by RunninRaven

I say you are a negative nelly, and you are negative nellying all over this post.

I had written up a long post explaining why your statement above is being overly critical, but you are not going to be swayed, I can tell, so I won't bother. I will say that I thought I heard on the radio the other day that Taylor stated he will only play one more season. If that is indeed the case, I would not give up a 3rd for him. My willingness to trade a 3rd round pick is contingent on him being here and being productive for 2 more years (which I think he could do...if he was willing).

Let me ask you this, would you be willing to trade Eric Winston for Taylor, straight up?

haha fair enough...nellying hehehe...funny word. i just think you are expecting way too much development out of our young defense for taylor to matter in the "one player away" department. but agree to disagree

winston for taylor no way. taylor and a 1st, and a 1st next year, and a conditional 3rd that could escalate to 3 more 1st rounds until like 2013 maybe ill mull it over... winston is and will be as long as he continues developing (or as long as he is willing to stay here) a cornerstone of the texans offense.

Originally Posted by Vinny

sure it is...and why the Dolphins wouldn't consider it. a 5th plus a worthless player for Taylor isn't too enticing.

yea, basically all they would get is a stop-gap (which is all he has amounted to thus far) replacement and a shot in the dark at fixing it...

.....so call 'em up right? haha...

[NBT]

Any talk of giving up draft choices for old has-beens like Taylor should be completely out of the question for the Texans. As stated in the post above, Taylor will only play one more year, he is 34 years old, and has a humongous salary which would decimate our cap. We are not going to win it all this year, so why do something panicky? Stay the course and build through the Draft.

[sescoyote]

Taylor seems to always be in great shape, so I really wouldn't have a problem with him at all. He had 11 sacks last year at age 33. If he can stay on as long as Strahan can then that would not be a bad pickup at all. Strahan is 36 now and still racked up 9 sacks. Would a rookie 3rd rounder produce like he would for the next couple of years? Get Taylor this year, give him a 2 year contract, draft his replacement next year.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by sescoyote

Taylor seems to always be in great shape, so I really wouldn't have a problem with him at all. He had 11 sacks last year at age 33. If he can stay on as long as Strahan can then that would not be a bad pickup at all. Strahan is 36 now and still racked up 9 sacks. Would a rookie 3rd rounder produce like he would for the next couple of years? Get Taylor this year, give him a 2 year contract, draft his replacement next year.

Even though he has said he want to play only one more year. This guy is not coming to Houston, he wants/needs to go to a true Super Bowl contender.

[sescoyote]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Even though he has said he want to play only one more year. This guy is not coming to Houston, he wants/needs to go to a true Super Bowl contender.

If I had a dime for every time a player said one thing and did another, I'd have as much money as Jason Taylor. Money talks.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by sescoyote

Taylor seems to always be in great shape, so I really wouldn't have a problem with him at all. He had 11 sacks last year at age 33. If he can stay on as long as Strahan can then that would not be a bad pickup at all. Strahan is 36 now and still racked up 9 sacks. Would a rookie 3rd rounder produce like he would for the next couple of years? Get Taylor this year, give him a 2 year contract, draft his replacement next year.

or.....here's another option.....draft his replacement next year and spend the money you would've spent on taylor on booze for the fans!

oh yea and jason taylor was a third round pick in '97, 73rd overall. just thought i would throw that tidbit in since you mentioned 3rd round picks...so i guess a third round pick has quite the possibility of playing like jason taylor.

i've been thinking about this for a while now and i've come to the conclusion that besides the fact that he wants a ring, we could do better with our 3rd round picks, his contract, his drama and all that jazz another reason not to pick him up is it takes the pressure off of mario, amobi, tj and i suppose okam to get better.

[sescoyote]

Originally Posted by KJ3

...so i guess a third round pick has quite the possibility of playing like jason taylor.

i've been thinking about this for a while now and i've come to the conclusion that besides the fact that he wants a ring, we could do better with our 3rd round picks, his contract, his drama and all that jazz another reason not to pick him up is it takes the pressure off of mario, amobi, tj and i suppose okam to get better.

We could still draft a player like him next year in the 3rd round, but I tend to think that Taylor is ready to go right now and will not need a couple of years for "seasoning". The point was that if we are to going to make any kind of push this year then we need that extra player to help push us over the top. He is a pro-bowl player, we know what we are getting. It's simple, is he an upgrade over what we have now? Yes. There you have it.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by sescoyote

We could still draft a player like him next year in the 3rd round, but I tend to think that Taylor is ready to go right now and will not need a couple of years for "seasoning". The point was that if we are to going to make any kind of push this year then we need that extra player to help push us over the top. He is a pro-bowl player, we know what we are getting. It's simple, is he an upgrade over what we have now? Yes. There you have it.

there i have what? 10 more sacks? whoopty crap, that's not going to solidify anything playoffs-wise.

just what exactly is taylor bringing that we don't have for a 3rd round pick who has just as much a chance of making "the difference" on this team as taylor does? is it really just 7 more sacks than a weaver/DE combo could get? i'm not being sarcastic either, i'm asking because i don't see what he brings that is that much better than who we have now or the general worth of a 3rd round pick.

if jacoby jones (as a 3rd round pick) steps up and catches 5 td's/50 receptions/500 yards would it make more or less of a difference than the taylor 10? i don't think this is out of his reach, especially with the guy's we have around (and currently in front) of him.

you're right though, we do need an extra player to get over the top. like maybe andre johnson plays the whole season this go-round? dunta? schauby? ahman? 17 players by season's end. don't tell me their health wouldn't have made a difference the way you think taylor would.

[sescoyote]

Originally Posted by KJ3

there i have what? 10 more sacks? whoopty crap, that's not going to solidify anything playoffs-wise.

10 sacks is whoopty crap???? No one person is going to elevate us to the playoffs, that is why it's a "team" sport. But I'm not sure how you think a 3rd round in his 1st year is going to equate to the level of Taylor; There wasn't a player in last years 3rd round draft that had more than 2 sacks. 3rd rounders just don't have a big impact their first year.

Originally Posted by KJ3

just what exactly is taylor bringing that we don't have for a 3rd round pick who has just as much a chance of making "the difference" on this team as taylor does?.

Taylor brings Pro Bowls, experience in both the "4-3" and "3-4", and sack production. See above regarding last years 3rd rounders.

Originally Posted by KJ3

you're right though, we do need an extra player to get over the top. like maybe andre johnson plays the whole season this go-round? dunta? schauby? ahman? 17 players by season's end. don't tell me their health wouldn't have made a difference the way you think taylor would.

Ever the more reason to get quality players in, we agree then.

[NBT]

Ses, you can argue till the cows come home, but Taylor just ain't coming here, for all the reasons stated above, but most especially because we are all about the future and Taylor is only the present. Waste of draft pick. Waste of money. Give it up man.