Speculative AJ thread

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by popanot

Strike for who? They never made any deal so apparently they feel Sheppard's value is pretty high. I dunno. I'm not saying they'd laugh at AJ, just that they'd laugh if we came to table asking Sheppard + a #1 or their 2 #1's for AJ. I doubt any team would give up that much for AJ. The guy was a top 5 pick, but it's not like he's produced big time numbers for someone to give up that much for him. At this point, and aside from his recent injury, Anqaun Bolden's value is higher than AJ's.

they feel sheppard's value is high or that roy williams/chad ocho crazo aren't worth sheppard or their 1sts. figures, because the chad isn't doing much, neither is anyone in la-la-land, michigan. frankly i think andre is better than both of them, and at least andre johnson has produced consistent numbers enough to get him a few probowls from a not very popular team and as a not as popular player (especially the position he plays). logic says if he was on a decent team his numbers would become even more stout.

specifically to a. bolden, the eagles were reported in going after him too if i can remember right. i guess either arizona thought boldin was worth more than any combo of sheppard/2 1st rounders, or the eagles want some kind of jerry rice/god combo at wideout for pennies.

either way, the only people who should be laughing is anyone who knows that if philly wants an elite wideout they're going to have to pony up to the elite price.

[Mike]

You know what, the mad AJ that we saw Sunday is not someone I want to trade. AJ commands too much attention and can just dominate. Can you imagine what he would do for a team with a real RB? Put him with Peterson and watch the Viking offense take off. With the hint of a running game, he is a deadly weapon.

We need to continue to get him the ball. Forget trading him. I would be sick if the team considered that. Trading away its best player would be detrimental to the franchise. What message would that send the fan base? The other players would be devestated. It sends the wrong message. We would be no better than the Pirates if we started doing crap like that.

[nunusguy]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tony Gonzalez, the most productive tight end in NFL history, will be traded to a contender if the Kansas City Chiefs get the right price.
ESPN's Michael Smith first reported the fact Gonzalez was to be shopped Saturday.
A league source confirmed to ESPN that Gonzalez went to Chiefs GM Carl Peterson and inquired about a trade to a contender earlier this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3638551
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The Texans should do exactly the same thing if AJ or his agent were to
approach them. And the big difference here is that Gonzalez, great in his prime, at 32 is arguably on the downside of his career while AJ is a full 5 years
younger.

[nunusguy]

''Too many big plays,'' coach Tony Sparano said. ``[Johnson] is a hell of a player. I've been watching the same thing for years playing against him, and he did a hell of a job [Sunday].''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/723415.html
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OK, so I said the other day before Sundays game vs the 'Phins I'd trade AJ.
I'd still still trade him, but whatever the price was has just gone up. A lot.

[da Bull]

I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

[painekiller]

AJ is so good there is no way to get enough value for him. I think we will have to live with him.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by da Bull

So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

in 2-3 years our defense would be better? because our offense takes the hit immediately.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by da Bull

I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

Week 3
386 yards and 27 points

Week 4-5 (when you claim they were less effective with AJ as the feature guy)
438 yards and 28 points


And also take into account that the game when you thought everyone else looked good was a game in which the Jags doubled AJ all game and singled up on all our other guys.

[Nconroe]

I'd generally be against trading our best player. Maybe if you got a Herschel Walker type offer I'd consider it, maybe. I guess AJ is a lot happier now and doesn't want to be traded either.