Texans-Falcons Trade In The Works?

[Joshua]

As for what i think the Texans should do, pick the QB you think has the best chance of developing into an elite QB, unless you absolutely don't think any of these guys have that potential. To me, this was part of the job O'Brien was hired for and is his first real test. With the rule changes and the way the game is evolving, the position is too important. I don't care if there are a couple other guys who are higher rated. If the QB pans out, he's worth more than them.

[HPF Bob]

So we should have taken David Carr over Julius Peppers in 2002 and Vince Young (or Matt Leinart) over Mario Williams in 2006? Great thinking.

The Texans have been here before, not once but twice. The one thing they didn't do the previous times was to trade down for more choices. That's what I'd like to see them do since even the elites seem to come with red flags.

Otherwise, how about using 1/1 for the guys with the fewest red flags - Jake Matthews or Khalil Mack?

[Nconroe]

A question might be from interviews with new coach, what type of QB might he prefer?

Seems one answer is QB must be a smart QB who can take pressure.

Perhaps Mittenberger and Bridgewater would be top two O'Brien likes.

Just a guess on my part for this discussion.

Then who of say top QB might still be available at top of second round?

Maybe these two? So no QB panic to get a good one.

Might be in third you see Garrapulo or Savage still available while speculating, also could develop .

And if draft were last week as it should we would already know.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

A question might be from interviews with new coach, what type of QB might he prefer?

Seems one answer is QB must be a smart QB who can take pressure.

Perhaps Mittenberger and Bridgewater would be top two O'Brien likes.

Just a guess on my part for this discussion.

Then who of say top QB might still be available at top of second round?

Maybe these two? So no QB panic to get a good one.

Might be in third you see Garrapulo or Savage still available while speculating, also could develop .

And if draft were last week as it should we would already know.

I agree with this post

[HPF Bob]

Metzenberger will be there in the second round after flunking the drug test at the combine. And the third round. And maybe the fourth round.

[Arky]

I'd like to see them get a trade-down from 1.1 but it might not happen. Might just be too much for a team to give up to trade-up. OTOH, Rick Smith mentioned on the radio the other day that pick 2.1 might have lots more interest..... Teams have all night/all day to think about it - players they'd like to have that didn't go in round 1. It's a valuable pick to own strategy-wise and I kinda hope they don't use it until Day 2, i.e. get more picks and/or a next year 1st rounder.....

2.5 days to go...

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Arky

I'd like to see them get a trade-down from 1.1 but it might not happen. Might just be too much for a team to give up to trade-up. OTOH, Rick Smith mentioned on the radio the other day that pick 2.1 might have lots more interest..... Teams have all night/all day to think about it - players they'd like to have that didn't go in round 1. It's a valuable pick to own strategy-wise and I kinda hope they don't use it until Day 2, i.e. get more picks and/or a next year 1st rounder.....

2.5 days to go...

Especially if they come out of the first round with a QB and many of the other teams who are rumored to be eyeing QBs (Rams, Jags, Browns, Vikings, etc.) had gone another way, setting up a potential run at the top of the second round.

I'd still be hesitant to give it up for a future pick, given the supposed depth of this class.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Metzenberger will be there in the second round after flunking the drug test at the combine. And the third round. And maybe the fourth round.

Mettenberger’s test didn’t show any drugs, but it was so diluted that it was treated as a positive test. It will be up to each team to decide whether they buy his story that he’d been chugging water to deal with cramping from his surgery and not trying to water down his pee to avoid a positive test.

Possibly the bigger character issue with Mettenberger is that as a freshman at Georgia he plead guilty to misdemeanor sexual battery for grabbing a woman in a bar. He seems to have stayed out of trouble since then (despite his apparent Ozarka habit), but I can’t imagine McNair and some other owners would be too excited about making a convicted sex criminal the potential face of the franchise.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Warren

Mettenberger’s test didn’t show any drugs, but it was so diluted that it was treated as a positive test. It will be up to each team to decide whether they buy his story that he’d been chugging water to deal with cramping from his surgery and not trying to water down his pee to avoid a positive test.

Possibly the bigger character issue with Mettenberger is that as a freshman at Georgia he plead guilty to misdemeanor sexual battery for grabbing a woman in a bar. He seems to have stayed out of trouble since then (despite his apparent Ozarka habit), but I can’t imagine McNair and some other owners would be too excited about making a convicted sex criminal the potential face of the franchise.

Especially after the disastrous results they had with last years 3rd pick out of LSU.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

So we should have taken David Carr over Julius Peppers in 2002 and Vince Young (or Matt Leinart) over Mario Williams in 2006? Great thinking.

The Texans have been here before, not once but twice. The one thing they didn't do the previous times was to trade down for more choices. That's what I'd like to see them do since even the elites seem to come with red flags.

Otherwise, how about using 1/1 for the guys with the fewest red flags - Jake Matthews or Khalil Mack?

That must be why everyone is pining for the Mario era. Despite being the better pick but at the end of the day, we had nothing to show for it. Even if you get it right, it doesn't matter if you don't have a QB. We didn't win many games as a result of taking him. In fact, you could make a pretty strong case that VY, despite being the clearly inferior player, nevertheless contributed to winning more than Mario did. That's why I think you have to try and get the QB right. It's worth the risk. You want to take a safe RT? Because last year's playoff teams were a who's who of the league's premiere RTs?

You seem to think that if you build a good enough team at all other positions, you can get by with an average QB. That worked fine in 1985. Not now.

[Nconroe]

Lots of talk right now about this tweet.

@ESPNNFL: RT @LRiddickESPN: Hearing rumblings of a potential draft day trade that could blow the top off of the draft involving the QB position.

Some think it means Cowboys trading with Texans.

But who knows.

[Warren]

The Cowboys would have to give up a ton to move up from 16 to the top spot.

In 2012, it cost the Redskins their 2012 1st (#6) and 2nd (#39), 2013 1st, and 2014 1st to go from #6 to #2 to get RGIII.

In 2011, it cost the Falcons their 2011 1st (#26), 2nd (#59), and 4th (#124) and 2012 1st and 4th to go from #26 to #6 for Julio Jones.

I'm not sure that the Cowboys would have enough to offer to get me to move down that far if I were the Texans -- the top guys would be long gone by then. I'd also want more picks in this draft than future picks, because of the depth this year and because while this roster obviously has some significant holes, it's not a long-term teardown/rebuild job.

Jerry does love to be seen as a wheeler and dealer (even when it involves trading up unnecessarily) so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he where trying to make this happen.

[popanot]

Cowpies have more holes than we do. Their #1 is too far down so that would mean a top player from their current roster would have to be added in, IMO. Other than Tyron Smith, they don't have anyone else I'd want and Smith is too expensive. Maybe Dez, but we really don't need him much, and again, he's going to be expensive. No way it's the Cowpies. Probably just draft rumors and smokescreens. God I wish the draft would just get here!!!

Personally, I think Riddick's tweet is more about the Rams, Bradford, and Johnny Football. I'd give the Rams a #3 or a #4 for Bradford if he'd renogotiate.

[Arky]

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