McNair: Texans Open To Trading Down

[Joshua]

As I understand it, Hackenberg was a 5 star recruit and one of the top H.S. QBs in the country and O'Brien got him to commit to a team on probation that wasn't even bowl eligible. While that shows his recruiting chops, I don't think it says much else. Was there other 5 star QBs that he turned away because he didn't think they were tall enough? All Hackenberg tells me is he likes well regarded QBs. And if going with Hackenberg was enough, then every college coach in the country only wants big QBs because virtually all of them would taken Hackenberg.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Joshua

As I understand it, Hackenberg was a 5 star recruit and one of the top H.S. QBs in the country and O'Brien got him to commit to a team on probation that wasn't even bowl eligible. While that shows his recruiting chops, I don't think it says much else.

Who knows what BOB's real preference is, but historically, he's been involved more with bigger framed QBs so I don't think it's far a stretch for Brant or others to assume he prefers a larger QB. When I see more and more respected NFL insiders (or folks much closer to info than you or I) saying BOB likes larger QB's and seeing names like Bortles and Mallett to the Texans being tossed around, there might be something to it. Of course, it could just be speculation.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by popanot

Who knows what BOB's real preference is, but historically, he's been involved more with bigger framed QBs so I don't think it's far a stretch for Brant or others to assume he prefers a larger QB. When I see more and more respected NFL insiders (or folks much closer to info than you or I) saying BOB likes larger QB's and seeing names like Bortles and Mallett to the Texans being tossed around, there might be something to it. Of course, it could just be speculation.

True enough. And I'm not trying to argue with you, I just think that all coaches prefer bigger framed QBs, so I don't think this is actually saying anything. I suspect Sean Payton and Pete Carroll prefer bigger QBs, but recognized they had something special in Brees and Wilson.

So, I don't think it's a question of whether he prefers big QBs (I think every coach does). The question is whether he would write off the Breeses and Wilsones of the world because they didn't meet some height requirement. If so, that actually does not speak well of him.

[Roy P]

Since this thread was about trading down....I have a 'what if' hypothetical:

We trade #1 to Cleveland for 4, 35, 71, & 102. The Browns select a Clowney. Then we trade #4 & #102 for #8 & #40 so the Vikings can select a QB. Then we trade #8 & #193 for #12 & #74. Then in my Mock draft we still select CB Justin Gilbert to essentially replace JoJo at the end of his contract and to start right away.

12 Justin Gilbert CB

33 Deone Bucannon S - Makes Keo expendable
35 Marcus Smith OLB - Mercilus and Reed have not developed
40 Kareem Martin DE - Antonio FA soon
46 Xavier Su'a-Filo or Joel Bitonio RT - The need for RT evident

65 Martavis Bryant WR - AJ getting older, like having 2 big WRs
71 Jimmy Garoppolo QB - A better pocket passer than Manziel
74 Bishop Sankey RB - Tate gone to FA

97 Avery Williamson ILB - He can cover RB/TE

129 Zack Kerr NT - Earl Mitchell not a Romeo NT.

161 Jerick McKinnon RB/KR - Depth & Special Teams

My 'perfect' scenario

[Roy P]

I have to admit that I also like ILB Jordan Tripp or Chris Borland if they are available @ #97. Not sure either lasts that long though. Also, the more I watch Gorrapolo, the more I like him. Great feet, balance, quick release, goes through progressions quickly, looks off the Safety instead of locking in on first option. Could be the steal of the draft.

[Nconroe]

Wouldn't that be fun if they could pull off all those trades.

And some think we might get 2 or 3 compensatory picks this year, so maybe we would get two at end of fifth round. So might have three picks together around 161, 162, 163.

So I was thinking TE and another OLB but using your list perhaps
162 ILBRonald Powell
163 OLBHoward Jones

[Roy P]

Updated Mock using Walters Football....

12 OLB Anthony Barr
33 OG Xavier Su'a-Filo
35 DE Trent Murphy
40 TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins
46 CB Keith McGill
65 RB Bishop Sankey
71 WR Donte Moncrief
74 FS Deone Bucannon
97 QB AJ McCarron
129 OT Trai Turner
161 ILB Avery Williamson
FA NT Zack Kerr

This would be Cherry Picked, knowing I get my QB at #97 and my third ranked player at #12. My top RB as my sixth player selected. I also grabbed a TE who may be a bust, but had enough picks to take a gamble on him.