Front Office/HC/OC/DC who do you want?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

He has a rookie QB, and almost no WRs until this past week. Also with Ryans scheme on defense the offense is expected to not loose games more so than win them.

As for experience, his resume is sound, and his pedigree is also tops.

I'm not blaming him for a mediocre offense with mediocre weapons. But I am also not rewarding him for it.

He has been a QB coach until this year and has been the OC of a mediocre offense for 5 games. Maybe he is lightning in the bottle but the cost is 2-3 wasted years if we are wrong. Why chance it when money can buy you a sure thing.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

I'm not blaming him for a mediocre offense with mediocre weapons. But I am also not rewarding him for it.

He has been a QB coach until this year and has been the OC of a mediocre offense for 5 games. Maybe he is lightning in the bottle but the cost is 2-3 wasted years if we are wrong. Why chance it when money can buy you a sure thing.

From the jets.com

Brian Schottenheimer was retained by Rex Ryan as offensive coordinator after one of the best offensive seasons in franchise history. He was originally named the Jets’ coordinator on Jan. 30, 2006, coming to the team after serving as quarterbacks coach for the San Diego Chargers for four seasons (2002-05). Schottenheimer’s offensive scheme features multiple sets and flexibility as well as a no-huddle component.

He has been the OC for 2007, 2008 and now 2009. He was the one calling the plays for Brett Farve. It was his offense, they were ninth in the league in scoring last season, And only 26th the season before when they were forced to played Clements. Now he is training his 4th QB in his system in 3 years, and they are in 1st place in their division.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

Why chance it when money can buy you a sure thing.

There are no sure things in coaching. Jimmy Johnson went to Miami and he did not equal his Dallas years.

Only a handful of HCs have won in more than one city. Parchells being one of those exceptions.

As Ken Loeffler said : “There are only two kinds of coaches — those who have been fired, and those who will be fired.”

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

There are no sure things in coaching. Jimmy Johnson went to Miami and he did not equal his Dallas years.

Only a handful of HCs have won in more than one city. Parchells being one of those exceptions.

As Ken Loeffler said : “There are only two kinds of coaches — those who have been fired, and those who will be fired.”

Very wise. But there is no denying that you have a far better idea what you're getting with Cowher/Dungy than with some young guy.

I see Roy is ready to annoint McDaniels as the answer in Denver. I will wait longer than 5 games. Either way like I said, it's a huge roll of the dice. Notre Dame, Cleveland, Jets, and Cleveland again have all hired New England coordinators with sterling resumes and bombed. Denver may have gotten the real deal. And they may not have.

Either way there are so many proven coaches unemployed right now and so few teams willing to pay in the economic climate, that anyone who opens the wallet can have one (if not their pick). If Bob McNair is willing to spend Billions but draws the line and goes cheap on the single most important thing to an NFL franchise, we can only hope to get lucky.

[NBT]

I know I will get hit on for saying this, but it needs to be said; if Kubiak had allowed Greg Davis to be hired as the new DC, instead of another of Kubiak's favorites, frank Bush, he could just run his offense, and let Greg Williams carry the defense, ala NOLA!! We would not be awash in mediocrity at this time of the season.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

I know I will get hit on for saying this, but it needs to be said; if Kubiak had allowed Greg Davis to be hired as the new DC, instead of another of Kubiak's favorites, frank Bush, he could just run his offense, and let Greg Williams carry the defense, ala NOLA!! We would not be awash in mediocrity at this time of the season.

You still Frank Bush Hating? The total defense is up to #20 in YPG, #24 against the rush, #19 against the pass.

I hate when guys do this, but I am going to any way. Take away 4 plays and this defense is in the top half of the NFL. Is this as good as New Orleans, no but they also where smart enough to sign a real Safety Darren Sharper who now has 5 INT and 12 passes defensed. Studly numbers.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, our defense is lead by two 5th year guys. And now a rookie is our biggest playmaker. Bush is doing OK with these guys.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by painekiller

You still Frank Bush Hating? The total defense is up to #20 in YPG, #24 against the rush, #19 against the pass.

I hate when guys do this, but I am going to any way. Take away 4 plays and this defense is in the top half of the NFL. Is this as good as New Orleans, no but they also where smart enough to sign a real Safety Darren Sharper who now has 5 INT and 12 passes defensed. Studly numbers.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, our defense is lead by two 5th year guys. And now a rookie is our biggest playmaker. Bush is doing OK with these guys.

I would say Bush has made some progress these last couple weeks and the D looks much better. Cushing, in particular, has really made a huge impact. Not only is he putting up big numbers, he's making plays that actually impact the game. This is something we've lacked for years. As the Morlon Greenwood experience taught us, just piling up tackle numbers doesn't mean you're doing anything to help us win.

To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, I will point out that the other 2 teams whose defenses were just about as terrible as us last year were NOLA and Denver. Both brought in new coordinators this year and both came out of the gates balling and are now undefeated. It's great that our defense is improving, but the NFL season is too short to give away the first month trying to find your legs. Not being ready to go in September may ultimately cost us a chance at the playoffs.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I would say Bush has made some progress these last couple weeks and the D looks much better. Cushing, in particular, has really made a huge impact. Not only is he putting up big numbers, he's making plays that actually impact the game. This is something we've lacked for years. As the Morlon Greenwood experience taught us, just piling up tackle numbers doesn't mean you're doing anything to help us win.

To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, I will point out that the other 2 teams whose defenses were just about as terrible as us last year were NOLA and Denver. Both brought in new coordinators this year and both came out of the gates balling and are now undefeated. It's great that our defense is improving, but the NFL season is too short to give away the first month trying to find your legs. Not being ready to go in September may ultimately cost us a chance at the playoffs.

I think that had more to do with Rick Smith and Kubiak than Bush. Bush's defense would have looked a lot more ready to play in September with Dawkins or Sharper. Even someone at Bernard Pollard's level has made a difference. It is criminal that Smith and Kubiak thought we were fine at Safety entering the year.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I would say Bush has made some progress these last couple weeks and the D looks much better.

We played the Raiders and looked impressive. Then we allowed the Cards to score the most points they had all season, with most of it coming in the 1st half. I believe Bush saw what his players were able to digest and do best. Against the Bengals, we were able to contain Cedric Benson. By the 3rd quarter, the Bengals had given up on the run and were trying to catch up through the air.

I'm taking our progress with a grain of salt. The key in my mind was the addition of Bernard Pollard and playing more man coverage. Bush started having more confidence in blitzing Cushing and Ryans too. Amobi Okoye has been getting better penetration. If Mario were 100% healthy, I think we'd have more sacks and more turnovers. I'm somewhat dissapointed we didn't trade for Dorsey, but I don't know what the asking price was.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, our defense is lead by two 5th year guys. And now a rookie is our biggest playmaker. Bush is doing OK with these guys.

Actually 2 4th-year guys, but you're right PK, after some of those early gaffs involving the Titans Johnson and D-J for the Jags, Bush's D is looking much steadier.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by painekiller

You still Frank Bush Hating? The total defense is up to #20 in YPG, #24 against the rush, #19 against the pass.

I hate when guys do this, but I am going to any way. Take away 4 plays and this defense is in the top half of the NFL. Is this as good as New Orleans, no but they also where smart enough to sign a real Safety Darren Sharper who now has 5 INT and 12 passes defensed. Studly numbers.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, our defense is lead by two 5th year guys. And now a rookie is our biggest playmaker. Bush is doing OK with these guys.

I don't hate Frank Bush, I just think Kubiak's insistance on hanging with is favorites is sometimes counterproductive. I was using NOLA and Grg Williams because I love the defenses he brings. To be fair to Bush, he seems to be getting the defense better prepared to play, especially now that Cushing is coming on like he is. Bush will have to have the defense on their "A" game again this weekend against Mike Singletary"s 49ers.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

Very wise. But there is no denying that you have a far better idea what you're getting with Cowher/Dungy than with some young guy.

I see Roy is ready to annoint McDaniels as the answer in Denver. I will wait longer than 5 games.

First, I will repeat the wise words: 'there's no such thing as a sure thing' because it is true.

Just because Cowher and Dungy have had success, there's no guarantee that their good fortune would be a certainty here. There have been SuperBowl winning coaches who have not repeated that accomplishment with new teams. Remember Dan Reeves in Atlanta after winning in Denver? Holmgren didn't win the Big Game in Seattle. Dick Vermeil couldn't get much done in K.C. Joe Gibbs couldn't rekindle the magic in D.C. Ditka was good enough in Chicago, but not New Orleans. Even as much as I respect Parcells, his only SuperBowl came when he was with the Giants, none with the Cowboys.

While I'm not going to annoint McDaniels, nobody is looking for his replacement at this point in the season. There have been plenty of young no-names who made names for themselves. John Madden and Mike Tomlin come to mind. So, hiring a new head coach is simply hit or miss.

Joe Walsh, Bill Cowher, Parcells, Gruden, Dungy and Belichick didn't have Super Bowl rings when they were hired by their original teams. In fact, Dungy and Belichick were fired as head coaches before another team took a chance.

There are innumerable reasons for a team's success, and a head coach is but one.