Fire Smith petition

bckey · #1 11-17-2008, 12:54 PM

Landman over on the Houston Texans board started this petition and I wanted to post a link here for more signatures.

http://www.petitiononline.com/JSRinATX/petition.html

barrett · #2 11-17-2008, 01:23 PM

Are we back to the Dom Capers years? The team plays poorly and we fire the Coordinator while pretending the Coach is not in charge of the team.

I think Smith is awful but we are kidding ourselves if we think replacing him fixes this outfit.

papabear · #3 11-17-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Are we back to the Dom Capers years? The team plays poorly and we fire the Coordinator while pretending the Coach is not in charge of the team.

I think Smith is awful but we are kidding ourselves if we think replacing him fixes this outfit.

The difference here is that Dom's specialty, defense, was just as bad as the offense. Kubiak's offense has shown it can move the ball and is dangerous. That's why I think Kubiak gets another year if he makes changes with the defensive staff. He's in charge so he's responsible for it all, but we all know that Kubiak has a much more hands on approach with the offense. I think that is the ultimatum presented to Kubiak come seasons end...if it hasn't been already.

barrett · #4 11-17-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear

The difference here is that Dom's specialty, defense, was just as bad as the offense. Kubiak's offense has shown it can move the ball and is dangerous. That's why I think Kubiak gets another year if he makes changes with the defensive staff. He's in charge so he's responsible for it all, but we all know that Kubiak has a much more hands on approach with the offense. I think that is the ultimatum presented to Kubiak come seasons end...if it hasn't been already.

And yet when Dom, a defensive guy struggled, they fired the OC like it would magically fix things. The problem is that the HEAD coach is in charge of both sides of the ball. If he ignores one and is not responsible for what happens on that side of the ball, he deserves to be fired for ignoring half of his team.

Guys like Tony Dungy and Bill Bellachik are defensive coaches and yet they win games with Offense when they have to. They coach their entire teams. If kubiak truly ignores the defense and is not in control of what goes on, then he is not much of a coach.

I'll sign a "Fire Richard Smith" petition, but I blame the head coach most for what happens on his team.

NBT · #5 11-17-2008, 02:47 PM

Why Rick Smith, he didn't hire Kubiak or Smith! The head coach is in over his head because he call the plays and can't keep up with strategy (such as substitutions & timeouts) at the same time. Thus we lose time and field management. Richard Smith, the DC, is just flat out incompetent in my opinion. AND the defensive line (except for mario), is still ineffective. Demeco is no longer a tackling machine, and the secondary would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

papabear · #6 11-17-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

And yet when Dom, a defensive guy struggled, they fired the OC like it would magically fix things. The problem is that the HEAD coach is in charge of both sides of the ball. If he ignores one and is not responsible for what happens on that side of the ball, he deserves to be fired for ignoring half of his team.

Guys like Tony Dungy and Bill Bellachik are defensive coaches and yet they win games with Offense when they have to. They coach their entire teams. If kubiak truly ignores the defense and is not in control of what goes on, then he is not much of a coach.

I'll sign a "Fire Rick Smith" petition, but I blame the head coach most for what happens on his team.

I agree with you completely, but at least Kubiak has one side of the team going. I'm more or less saying what I think the thought process will be of McNair. I don't think he's given a choice when it comes to Smith's job, and told that if the defense doesn't improve he's out.

I don't really think that a new DC is going to make a dramatic immediate difference either, but I think the offense has shown enough signs of being really good to keep Kubiak around.

Dungy's a defensive coach, but he also got a great offensive coordinator, and has kept him around. The Indy defense has been their weak point, but they win....and that's all that will matter at the end of the day. I think Kubiak's going to need some wins down the stretch to keep his job.

barrett · #7 11-17-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Why Rick Smith, he didn't hire Kubiak or Smith! The head coach is in over his head because he call the plays and can't keep up with strategy (such as substitutions & timeouts) at the same time. Thus we lose time and field management. Richard Smith, the DC, is just flat out incompetent in my opinion. AND the defensive line (except for mario), is still ineffective. Demeco is no longer a tackling machine, and the secondary would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

Total slip up on my part. I meant Richard smith. I'll fix it.

coloradodude · #8 11-17-2008, 05:32 PM

I'll sign it twice if it'll do any good.

Mike · #9 11-17-2008, 08:12 PM

I think that is kind of a moot point. Richard Smith and some of the defensive staff will be gone at the end of the year. I am not sure that changing the DC midstream is going to help. You are not going to be able to implement a new scheme in the middle of the year. Kubes loves Frank Bush, and he would be the logical choice to be in contention for a new DC, but if they give it to Bush midseason and the "D" still bites, then that does not give Frank a legitimate chance as DC.

I guy I think will be considered is Jim Bates. The Dolphin players loved him when he was the interim coach in Miami, and he has a history of being a DC. I would rather Kubes wait until the end of the year, evaluate who is available and make a sound, wise decision, instead of making a rash one now, and not giving Bush or even Hoke a fair chance at the job.

NBT · #10 11-18-2008, 12:55 PM

If we do wait until the end of the season to fire the DC, I think we might as well go whole hog and fire the whole defensive bunch. Start with a clean defensive slate. Then go defense in the draft and do a good job getting a FA for defense. You will note an instant improvement from the defensive players who are left when they know they will be playing for jobs.

On total, they ought to hire an experienced football man to run the whole operation for McNair, someone with full hire and fire authority. Kubiak will only be responsible for the coaches he is given to play with. Everything will be performance related, from salary to playing time.