Marciano - Fired!!
 

Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!!!

Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26)
12/6/13, 2:16 PM
Texans replacing Special Teams Coordinator Joe Marciano with assistant special teams coach Bob Ligashesky.

Wow. I cannot recall a ST coach being fired as part of an in season purge. Maybe a ST coach gets fired in season after a disastrous ST performance, but to be fired with the HC is strange. I am not complaining at all, but weird timing.

had a friend text me this:

Sort of indicates to me Kubiak was the one keeping Marciano around, not McNair. I will not be surprised if Schaub is inactive the rest of the season. Kubiak's boys are OUT!

I am pretty sure Marciano predates Kubiak. There is no way Kubiak was protecting a guy he had no prior relationship with against McNair's wishes.

I think it's all dog and pony show for McNair to appease the fans. McNair can fire his boy Marciano now or in 3 weeks and it makes no difference. Either way he can sweetheart him financially on the way out. But do it now and you can scapegoat ST as a Kubiak problem.

Bob is trying to win back fans that have been put off by this little 11 game losing streak.

Whatever the motive or timing, I sure feel a heck of a lot better now than I did 2 hours ago. Now I know I won't ever have to see Kubiak or Marciano on the sideline or listen to another crap Kubiak presser again. Too bad they couldn't fire the rest of them today too. Guess we'll just have to wait the 3 weeks for them.

barrett's analysis here and in the other fired thread is right on. I didn't think I could have any more contempt for McNair's cowardice but I was wrong. What should be a day of jubilance for me is now a day where I'm forced to recalibrate my hatred of the team's ownership.

Yep. It is so clear he is trying to wash the stink of this season off by attaching it all to Kubiak (even Marciano, who was a McNair guy from the start).

If losing 10 straight wasn't embarrassing, then there is no way last night was a back breaker. McNair just wanted to distance himself from Kubs so he can keep the fan base happy. Then he bashes Schaub and lauds Keenum (after one of Keenum's poorest games) as a bone for the localites. The way he is using Keenum to distract from how we've bungled this season from the TOP down, makes me almost root against a great young kid I really like.

But this is still true and the most important thing today. At least until we make a hire.

The hilarious thing is that Schaub, bless him, plainly outplayed Keenum last night and McNair is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

My only hope is that they'll hire a head coach who demands that Rick Smith be fired. I can't really see this happening but I didn't see them firing Lickey mid-season or Marciano at all.

Schaub is who he is and he was that guy again last night. I never need to see him take another snap. But Kubiak is a lame duck and can only try to win the games since he has no next year with this team. He clearly believes Schaub gives them the best chance in any kind of 2 minute situation. Who knows if he's right (and who cares). All these idiots are gone next year.

But if you are McNair and you are truly playing for next year and you honestly thought Keenum was next year's answer and wanted him to play, then you fire Kubiak at the bye and give Wade the clear directive to play Keenum. You don't keep your lame duck coach and hope he cares about next year's team that he's not a part of.

But this wasn't about next year or anything else football related. This was McNair reading tea leaves and trying to cuddle up to dumb, angry, talk radio fan. "Fire Kubiak. Fire Marciano. Schaub stinks. Keenum is great."

If McNair had done this at the bye, I would believe it was about next year and evaluating/developing Case. Instead it's a clear play to win the media and fan base after an embarrassing season.

Then McNair followed up with talk about how talented our roster still is and an instant turn around (so this year was all Kubiak's fault, Smith is a great GM, and fans should keep believing and paying).

And then he named Lovie Smith as an example of a guy to interview. Lovie might as well be the Defensive Gary Kubiak.

McNair is clueless and this franchise is doomed.

We just need him to be right once.

Not sure why Lovie is held in such low esteem by some, but at the least a sit down with him would meet the perfunctory Rooney Rule.
Now for a Bro with more "color", perhaps David Shaw would be a more appealing prospect ?

I consider Kubs a 8-8 guy. There are a few great coaches and a few terrible ones, and then 20+ guys who won't fix or break a team. Lovie and Kubs are those guys. They coach talent to its level and that's that.

Sounds like it's a no-win situation for McNair. If he waits till the end of the season to do the dismissal, fans are even more upset. By doing it now, it's an agenda/money driven decision? Letting Kubiak go at the bye (record was 2-5 at that point) would seem a bit premature for a coach coming off two straight playoff years, IMO....

I think fan outrage started with Schaub, then went to Kubiak and then went right on up the ladder. People need to realize McNair isn't going anywhere - everybody else doesn't have that luxury or job security.

All the peeps that have been calling for his (Kubiak's) head, some dating back to years ago, should be happy right about now....

He was asked a specific question about Lovie, and he answered that question. He's an obvious interview for several reasons, but he didn't do anything other than answer a question.

Of course it's a no-win situation for McNair, his team is 2-11 and on an 11 game losing streak. It's always no win when you don't win.

I am not asking for McNair to go anywhere. He is the owner. End of story. I saw plenty of negative comments about McNair in this thread but nothing close to "let's get rid of him." Nobody in this thread needs to realize anything about McNair not going anywhere.

McNair fires Kubiak and says Keenum needs to play and improve? Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?

What are the several reasons?

HC experience, NFL experience, couple of playoff trips, made it to the big game, etc. Regardless of what you or I may think, he's a qualified applicant. And I really hate to say this, but a minority candidate.

Not saying he'd be my choice, but can guess pretty confidently he'll be in the mix.

I really don't mind him as an interview, but I like David Shaw much more as a candidate and as a rooney interview. I just can't get fired up about a defensive coach.

Parcells, Belichick ? You know, I was thinking those guys did OK in the NFL ? Didn't they both coach up in the northeast some where, around Beantown ?

So, you just pile on suggesting he's a fan-pleasing, money-grubbing weasel pandering to the fans?

I'm suggesting being mad at McNair does doesn't do anybody any good. Smith/Kubiak/the players all can be replaced, obviously. The owner, that doesn't change - you're (anybody) wasting your time. If grousing about him or bad mouthing him makes you feel better go ahead and continue... I think he's a good man and wants a winner - he's way better than most owners. Not cheap, not a butthead, not an a-hole..... I see him as a kindly grandfather type whose only weakness is he spoils the grandkids (GM/coaches/players) too much. Some people call that "clueless".

I think McNair is like most of us and has had his fill of Matt Schaub. Keenum might not be the future but he's the most, er.....interesting... on the roster right now. If McNair says "losing to Jacksonville" twice was his motivation for the firing, I kinda believe that. I'm just not buying the kiss-and-makeup-with-the-fans line as the reason for the firing.....

I'm wasting everyone's time by whining about McNair? Wow. Just wow.

Aren't you the guy who just told me this week that you were responding on this site to "Case Bashers" FROM OTHER SITES, and you would do it as much as you wanted to. And now I am wasting your time by complaining about the owner who presided over this 2-11 mess?

I don't care if McNair is your actual grandfather or just a kindly old grandfather type. I don't care if he is a good man and wants a winner. I don't care if he's sick of Matt Schaub. I care if he hires good people, and he hasn't. He protected Marciano in the last changeover. He hired Kubiak.

He didn't fire an NFL head coach with a sub .500 career record and a 10 game losing streak, and then he did fire the same HC saying it was partly about not playing a QB who has never won an NFL game. Either he likes feeding a hometown hero to the fans because they are dumb enough to be distracted by him being "interesting" (present company included), or he really was just sick of Schaub and he has no business forming opinions on who should play QB for this team. It is no win for him.

Well, yeah. Because, ya know, you don't have any control of the situation except to come on a public forum and throw out some crackpot speculation... Portraying McNair as some conniving fleece-meister is just disingenuous as all get out......

Exactly. McNair bashers and Case bashers are usually the same breed - from the same tribe.... Many times, one and the same. Over the top. People pretending like they know what goes on behind the scenes... They're in every forum. If you think the franchise stinks from top to bottom, why don't you find something other to do with your time? At present, I only see frustration and anger in your future.... If the Texans won a SuperBowl next year, people would be bitching about it taking too damn long....

High crimes, I tell ya....

The bolded is just speculation, opinion, just a tad venomous and I could not disagree more. We as fans are entitled to nothing. The owner and team owe us nothing. We support the team of our own free will. If they suck, they suck - can't do a damn thing about it except not patronize them. Some people get on a forum and whine about how them mean ol' Texans done did them wrong. I understand that. I can handle it to a certain point until people start making s**t up.

The only point to housecleaning now is that it sends a message to the players and fans that what is happening is unacceptable. I think the decision was weeks ago but Thursday night's 14-penalty fiasco was too much to save face.

Schaub gives the Texans a slightly better chance to win now but Keenum needs as much OJT as possible. I think by putting in Schaub, Kubiak may have forced McNair's hand.

Marciano's firing is a bit more satisfying to me. We get way too many ST penalties and that's on the coaches. Letting Jacoby Jones and Trindon Holliday go is just icing on the cake.

So it's ok as long as it doesn't have anything to do with McNair because owners are off limits?

So you can bash Kubiak and Schaub and make up theories with no facts, like Kubiak is sabotaging Keenum, but I offer an opinion on McNair and it's unfair?

You are totally inconsistent in your arguments. Are we free will fans who need to shut up and take it or walk? Is it wrong to speculate and make things up or not?

The only consistent thing about you the last few weeks is that Keenum can do no wrong and anyone who falls short of worshipping the guy gets argued with.

I agree Bob, it's a message sent. I agree that the decision was made weeks ago, and I agree that putting Schaub back in was the final straw. You cannot expect the lame duck coach who has no future here to care about the future and that is why you get him out if it is play for the future time.

I'd agree with this opinion on the reason and timing of the dismissals.

Even Kubes said a couple weeks back we need to start playing the younger guys more.

Of course desire to win is also there.

There are always pros and cons on opinions and decisions. Plenty theories on what went wrong this year.

Now, I seem to remember most here wanted to get rid of Jacoby and Trindon at the time. Of course other ST coavhes seemed to get more consistency, not sure if it was experience and maturity or coaching.

Jacoby went for the playoff fumble. He needed a fresh start and new fans.

I still wouldn't touch Holliday. They pull him everytime there is a big moment because they are afraid he won't catch it. How can you have a return specialist who gets pulled because he can't catch kicks? I am fine with Martin on Punts (it's kickoffs he's terrible at).

No, owners are open to criticism. Just don't make stuff up.

I'd say Kubiak pulling Keenum twice can't be doing the young man's confidence any good. There's your fact. Out there on this internet thingy, there's quite a few people that have suspicions that Kubiak is/was hampering and half-assing Keenum's development.

There are no rules. Speculate and opine all you want. Make things up and expect to be responded to.

Ah, but you don't point out when I've admitted Keenum has stunk it up. He looked pretty good against New England. Not so hot Thursday against Jax. I'd say he's done a decent job in about half his starts. The rest not so much. Not unexpected from a guy who was playing DB on the practice squad several weeks ago.

Ya know, responding to everything with an accusatory attitude don't make you right. I can handle a lot of bent, twisted ideas and innuendo when there is a kernel of truth involved. Something ringing totally false, not so much.

I think this is the part where we agree to disagree. Don't know about you, but I've got a lot better things to do...

According to McClain, Jacoby asked to be traded because the fans were so upset with him.

But yeah, both needed to go.

If it's on the internet then it must be true.

But seriously, you say you are basing it on facts and not making things up like me. That facts show Kubiak is not helping Keenum and is working against him.

Facts would say Kubiak signing Keenum last year, praising him for 2 straight years, letting him compete for the backup job, jumping him ahead of Yates to start, giving him 6 consecutive starts even though he's never won a game, and grooming him from UDFA to starting QB show that Kubaik has greatly helped Keenum's development. Kubiak may be a below average HC (by definition, more wins than losses), but he has gotten better QB play compared to QB talent than most do. You said Keenum stunk it up in the Jags game, and yet when Kubiak pulled him for stinking it up, you think it is some kind of plot to ruin his development? And then you quote the existence of anonymous internet message board posts (from another message board), as proof you are right?

And then with a straight face you say I can complain but I'll be called on it when I make stuff up? Will you stop calling me on it if I said there are others on the internet (Chuck) that think it's true? By your backwards logic doesn't that mean it's a fact based theory and not one I made up?

You seriously don't think there is even a kernel of truth to the fact that McNair prefers Keenum on the field because fans like it?

Those are great ones. If we could get one of those, I would be fired up.

But they say Bellachik sits in every QB meeting today and coaches them as much as any other position. Recent years have had mostly offensive coaches winning superbowls.

Maybe I just hope it's an offensive guy because that is the side of the ball that appears to most need fixing after watching the last 11 weeks. That and the knowledge the new coach will almost certainly have a rookie QB to groom.

Too many questions. Waste. Of. Time.

But, hey, you got Chuck in your corner. lol

Seriously (I was wondering when this word would enter the conversation).

I think McNair likes Keenum himself and was disappointed when Matt "no future here" Schaub entered the game....

I'm getting a bowl of chili now, hot and spicy. I will check back in a few hours to see how this entertaining discussion is going.

I vote to keep McNair whatever theory one might have. I believe winning SB is his main motivation. Sure satisfied fans and making a profit are part of any business.