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Roy P 09-13-2009 03:11 PM

Well, that was disappointing and frustrating. The defense was doing a good job against the run until late in the game when Thomas Jones broke 2 big runs. The offense was autrocious in protecting Schaub. The Jets and Rex Ryan know how to put together a basket of blitz packages and we couldn't handle it. We couldn't get Slaton going and Andre Johnson was blanketed by Revis. Kris Jenkins, Bart Scott, and David Harris just ate up our OL. Alex Gibbs should be tearing up some asses right now.

I was happy to see Cushing play. With Barwin, Ryans, and Williams, we now have one more out of 11 who knows how to wrap up and tackle.

nunusguy 09-13-2009 03:35 PM

Totally unexpected performance by the Texans today ? Not that they lost, but losing like this ? This is really worse than the shellacking we took in the season opener last year in Pittsburgh, which was against a SB-winning QB vs todays game here in Reliant against a rook QB.
How much of a factor was the preparation, the team readiness, the game plans done by the Jets coaching staff vs Kubiaks crew ? Was the personnel of the Jets better, that much better ?

Blitzwood 09-13-2009 03:38 PM

This Jet's Defense is the best I've seen us face in quite a while, and they are missing two key players:eek: Gibbs and Kubiak should have made some adjustments at half time, but we didn't and now Schaub was getting rid of the ball as fast as he could. Give credit to Rex Ryan for saying what he was gonna do and doing it, while the Texans looked helpless not being able to stop it.

Our defense looked good, liked what I saw out of Barwin, Cush, Ryans, Okoye, and of course Mario. Props to our saftey tandem TD return, that was great, especially for rooks( since Barber didn't much at all last season).

Schaub looked dismal at best, but it's not all on him. Chris Myers was getting killed ALL GAME LONG, and Kubiak made zero adjustments( try putting in Caldwell or doubling Jenkins, SOMETHING!!) , not to mention picking up the blitzes( I thought that's why we drafted Hill, to pick up some of the blitzes against 3-4 teams like the Jets???).

Also wondered why we weren't going for an on side kick after our interception TD in the 4th, especially after the great position we got from the chop-block penalty??

I saw the deer in the headlight look again from our coaching staff and it was bad.

Congrats to Sanchez, you looked 10 times more mobile than our QB, who looked like he had fence posts for legs....

We looked atrocious........

I'm tired of yelling at the TV ,

I gotta go before I punch the monitor.

popanot 09-13-2009 03:43 PM

I said long ago Kubiak's downfall was going to be his penchant for hiring and putting mediocre/no-name assistant coaches in key positions. We've been seeing it since Day1 of his tenure and it showed in spades today. Baby Shan and Bush were totally overmatched and had no clue what to do. Everyone sucked, but the players were so out of position at times it was ridiculous. Compare that to the Jets who had a man on our WRs @$$ every time they touched the ball (well, what few times Schaub was actually able get it to them). And f'ing Meyers! What a joke!! We might as well of had the head cheerleader out there blocking. Jenkins is a tough assignment, but come on man! The whole OL sucked, but the biggest vacuum came from the C position. You already know all about the suckitude that is our defensive backfield.

nunusguy 09-13-2009 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 13752)
I think Mr. McNair has seen just about enough of Mr. Kubiak. I look for a coaching change before the end of the season. How sad. We could have been good if only he hadn't been so damned conservative. The defense, bad as they were, actually looked better than the so called high powered offense. Just blitz the Texans and you've got a win.

I seriously doubt that McNair would fire Kubiak before the end of the season, but then I dunno for sure ? Afterall that happened in the last year of the Capers regime and him lasting out that horrendous year ? I almost feel sorry for McNair, but I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for any billionaire, especially in this economy as they say.

TexanJedi 09-13-2009 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 13758)
I seriously doubt that McNair would fire Kubiak before the end of the season, but then I dunno for sure ? Afterall that happened in the last year of the Capers regime and him lasting out that horrendous year ? I almost feel sorry for McNair, but I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for any billionaire, especially in this economy as they say.

I am not happy right now, but Kubiak (and Smith as far as I'm concerned) should be given a chance to right the ship. If they can't do it, then throw a load of money at Cowher. At least he will build a tough team, but I hate the thought of restarting, again. Kubiak took a bad team and turned it into a mediocre team, perhaps Cowher can take a mediocre team and make it into a good team.

I cannot take this team making seemingly every opposing QB look like Joe Montana.

TexicanMexican 09-13-2009 04:26 PM

I was highly disappointed by the team.

I was at the game so I don't know how it looked on TV but the Texans were beat constantly on the blitzes. The coverage was awful and the blitzes weren't accomplishing much. I thought at one point it was time to call off the dogs and change up the coverages.

The offensive line just got mauled all game. Couldn't open holes for running game and couldn't pass protect.

It's only one game...it's only one game...serenity now...serenity now...

Mike 09-13-2009 04:41 PM

I am beyond disappointed right now. I really want to go on a profanity laced tired but I am emotially spent. We all have waited for 9 months for opening day and we got our asses kicked up and down the field. We had to listen to the Jets fan do their stupid chant in our stadium. Not only does this team drain me of my hard earned money, but now they are messing with my fragile psyche. I might become a recluse this week, only coming out of the house to go buy more Patron. Heck, I can work from the home office and just not deal with anyone all week while I forget about the abomination that I just witnessed. Uggggghhhhhhh.

Maybe I will just try and be a passive fan. Just show up on Sunday and enjoy being able to attend games at a great facility. Forget about draft parties, Fan Fest, open practices.. Why get myself all excited with false hopes for a season, only to be crushed week #1. It is like thinking you are going to score with the hot chick, only to go home by yourself. I am so freakin despondent. No sports talk radio this week. Just happiness this week. Que in sunny 99.1 or a Joel Osteen sermon on how everything is going to be OK.... I am pissed.. So freakin pissed.

Roy P 09-13-2009 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 13748)

Schaub with the floater for the INT. Jets ball at the 11.

He had three untouched blitzers coming right at him and only Steve Slaton to pick which one to slow down. This is after consistently getting hammered full steam by the likes of David Harris, Bart Scott, and Kris Jenkins. I'm really just thankful Schaub completed the game and wasn't carted off in a body bag. :mad:

Big Texas 09-13-2009 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 13754)
Andre Johnson was blanketed by Revis

I just think that we were horribly outcoached. Revis was just always in the right position because the rush was NO DOUBT coming every play. So most of the time. Revis just sat on the routes while the safety (whether it be rhodes or leornard) doubled over the top.

Side note: that first screen pass to slaton was the worst executed screen I have ever seen professionally. Bart Scott was drilling slaton before Pitts, Brown, or Myers even knew the pass was made. They looked pathetic.

Did Kyle not know they were gonna blitz? Screens and quick slants should've been what was worked on all week long.

Did they not know Jenkins was 10 times stronger than Myers? Or did they think that Myers had suddenly taken his steroids and was gonna hold his own.

They looked ridiculously lost out there. Boo Kubiak, Kyle, and Bush

Big Texas 09-13-2009 06:22 PM

I think I will blow my top if I hear Kubiak this week talking about how the defense did a few good things and how we need to work on our timing, blah, blah, blah...

He needs to come out and say, we got our asses kicked, and we are gonna have to start looking at changing up some lineups, specifically Chris Myers.

Also, I have not finished replaying the game, but did Hill EVER come in the game? I'm sure he would've done better than slaton taking on 250 pound linebackers all day.

That was a disgrace. Now I have to face all these haters tomorrow. Even the 49ers are having a better game against the NFC champions.

At least StL got shut out. We were not the WORST team in the league this week.

We did not score AT ALL on offense. That is an ass kicking.

Arky 09-13-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 13765)
He had three untouched blitzers coming right at him and only Steve Slaton to pick which one to slow down. This is after consistently getting hammered full steam by the likes of David Harris, Bart Scott, and Kris Jenkins. I'm really just thankful Schaub completed the game and wasn't carted off in a body bag. :mad:

You want to 'rassle? Is that it? ;)

The ball *was* a floater - I calls 'em like I sees 'em. I don't care what they are feeding us out of Reliant/Kirby, I don't think the ankle was "fine" and Schaub was not himself today. His accuracy was off and though he's not a big arm guy, there was, IMO, no steam on any lengthy passes. I don't think he was even 80%. One of, if not his worst game as a Texan. We never made it to the redzone much less midfield. Good for him to show he's a gamer but the team takes an "L"... Give him all the time he needs to heal if he needs it - I'd rather see a healthy QB that is zipping the ball around...

nunusguy 09-13-2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 13768)
You want to 'rassle? Is that it? ;)

The ball *was* a floater - I calls 'em like I sees 'em. I don't care what they are feeding us out of Reliant/Kirby, I don't think the ankle was "fine" and Schaub was not himself today. His accuracy was off and though he's not a big arm guy, there was, IMO, no steam on any lengthy passes. I don't think he was even 80%. One of, if not his worst game as a Texan. We never made it to the redzone much less midfield. Good for him to show he's a gamer but the team takes an "L"... Give him all the time he needs to heal if he needs it - I'd rather see a healthy QB that is zipping the ball around...

Afterwards, Gary Kubiak said what everyone at Reliant Stadium could see. Matt Schaub isn't close to being healthy.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/texans/

Blitzwood 09-13-2009 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 13770)
Afterwards, Gary Kubiak said what everyone at Reliant Stadium could see. Matt Schaub isn't close to being healthy.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/texans/

Healthy or not, it wouldn't have mattered, he was getting knocked on his a$$ every other down by blitzes or that missing link, Jenkins. Ryan's defensive montage of blitzes were coming every down, and we were obviously ill prepared, even after he said he was bringing the heat every down!!

Arky 09-13-2009 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 13770)
Afterwards, Gary Kubiak said what everyone at Reliant Stadium could see. Matt Schaub isn't close to being healthy.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/texans/

Thanks for the link, nunusguy. Makes more sense, now....

And ya, Schaub didn't get much help at all...

Nconroe 09-13-2009 09:46 PM

Yeah, our OL stunk , got run over, no chance of anything else to work. I think coaches should have taken out Schaub once they saw OL was overmatched. Otherwise, worst I've seen the Texans look overall. sad. sad day.

Dennis2112 09-13-2009 09:49 PM

I am not one to pile on and I don't think its as dire as it may look.

However, it does not take a phi-beta-kappa in football to see that we had breakdowns on almost every play. many times we were having issues at multiple positions on the same play.

Now I believe the defense played decent but they had many missed assignments as well.

this was a complete breakdown on the offensive side of the ball and it caused the few mistakes that the defense made even larger.

Anyways, time to start to focus on the Titans

Nconroe 09-13-2009 10:05 PM

I guess the Defense did ok, afterall, they only ran for 180 yards, had 480 yards total offense, no sacks, did have one int turnover late, 8 plays over 20 yards and only 24 points. I would give you our special teams looked fairly well other than a few stupid penalties. It will be great to be 0-2 after next week, now I feel better.

Dennis2112 09-13-2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 13776)
I guess the Defense did ok, afterall, they only ran for 180 yards, had 480 yards total offense, no sacks, did have one int turnover late, 8 plays over 20 yards and only 24 points. I would give you our special teams looked fairly well other than a few stupid penalties.

Now I have to admit, those are some rough numbers. However, I would submit that many of those "bad" numbers could have been since the defense was on the field nearly ALL game. I really can't blame the defense on this one.

Not saying they are blameless but they were far less the issue on this day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 13776)
It will be great to be 0-2 after next week, now I feel better.

As the last part you mentioned, are you implying that you wish them to lose next week or that you feel that we are too poor a team to win?

I want to go on record as saying we will win next week but everyone is entitled to their opinion....but I am sure it will appear that I am going out on a limb and that's ok too...LOL

GO TEXANS!!!!!
ALWAYS!!!!!

coloradodude 09-13-2009 10:30 PM

Some good news?

We rank just above the Panthers and just below the Chiefs in total yards on offense...#25.

On defense, we rank #23.

Nconroe 09-13-2009 10:31 PM

very good response I guess, very positive. I am usually pretty positive, I thought they might win the game today and go 12-4 and make playoffs until somewhere around third quarter today. I hope they beat Titans. I guess on my optimistic side they are now down to 11-5 still possible if they do fix a few items quickly. I think I will still be talking about how bad they were today for atleast 1-2 more days however.

Dennis2112 09-13-2009 10:55 PM

I completely understand your feelings and their play left me with a feeling of disappointment as well.

If they do not "man up" next week and get it right going in the correct path, I shudder to think how the rest of the season turns out.

Its a shame they did not take this game, it would have made next week much less stressed. Of course as a lifelong Houston fan, its not our way to have it "easy"...LOL

Fonz the Boss 09-14-2009 03:14 AM

My very first ever season opener in attendance and I came out drunk and disappointed. I am usually very realistic. Given that we are in a tough division and on a conference that has most of the tougher NFL teams, I didnt think the Texans were gonna make the playoffs this year. I have them missing out with my predicted season record of 9-7. However, I didnt expect them to lose against the Jets at home in our season opener. Now they are in a must win situation or they are looking at possibly an 0-3 when the Jaguars come to town after the Titans.

Mike 09-14-2009 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis2112 (Post 13775)
I am not one to pile on and I don't think its as dire as it may look.

However, it does not take a phi-beta-kappa in football to see that we had breakdowns on almost every play. many times we were having issues at multiple positions on the same play.

Now I believe the defense played decent but they had many missed assignments as well.

this was a complete breakdown on the offensive side of the ball and it caused the few mistakes that the defense made even larger.

Anyways, time to start to focus on the Titans

Really? Just curious and not trying to be an ass, but what makes you think it is not as dire as it looks? You pointed out there are breakdowns on almost every play. We've looked the same way against the Saints, Vikings and now the Jets. Please, pump me some sunshine why to be positive.

Kubiak needed to do a Jim Mora rant. That would have made me feel better instead of being pissed for the past 16 hours. Please, just say we sucked.

NBT 09-15-2009 07:36 PM

I'l say it for him. We SUCKED!!! Hot horse manure would have been an improvement, because at least it would have been warm.

NBT 09-16-2009 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 13758)
I seriously doubt that McNair would fire Kubiak before the end of the season, but then I dunno for sure ? Afterall that happened in the last year of the Capers regime and him lasting out that horrendous year ? I almost feel sorry for McNair, but I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for any billionaire, especially in this economy as they say.

Why not? If McNair is committed to what he said about another 8-8 not being good enough. Why not cut your losses so to speak, and get a fire eating coach that will demand execution from the get go? We have the talent, it is just not being used to best advantage.

nunusguy 09-16-2009 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 13839)
Why not? If McNair is committed to what he said about another 8-8 not being good enough. Why not cut your losses so to speak, and get a fire eating coach that will demand execution from the get go? We have the talent, it is just not being used to best advantage.

Forget what I said about not firing Kubiak after that performance he and his offense gave us Sunday. Losing was not a total surprise for me, but losing in that manner was, so now I have no idea what to expect from the Texans or the length of time Kubiak has remaining on his job here ?

barrett 09-16-2009 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 13839)
Why not? If McNair is committed to what he said about another 8-8 not being good enough. Why not cut your losses so to speak, and get a fire eating coach that will demand execution from the get go? We have the talent, it is just not being used to best advantage.

what exactly do you mean by a "fire eating" coach?

The NFL's best coach is a robot that probably didn't even show passion on his wedding night.

I'll forgo the "fire eating" and will go for a guy who knows X and O football and how to coach it.

Fonz the Boss 09-16-2009 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 13845)
what exactly do you mean by a "fire eating" coach?

The NFL's best coach is a robot that probably didn't even show passion on his wedding night.

I'll forgo the "fire eating" and will go for a guy who knows X and O football and how to coach it.

Why not somebody that does both.... like Bill Cowher.

nunusguy 09-17-2009 07:05 AM

My initial impressive of Cushings performance was positive, and still is after a second look at Sundays game which I recorded. Problem now is that I realize he wasn't on the field much in nickel situations ? Is this because of his limitations in the preseason, which prevented any playing time in the games and therefor no opportunite to practice in nickel packages ?
In most nickel situations as we know a DB is added and a LB is removed and if Cushing is going to be the odd-man out among the LBs and DeMeco
and Diles (or Adibi) are the 2 backers remaining on the field, then we're back to the major reason many of us didn't want Cushing (or any 4-3 SAM) drafted
with the 15th pick of the first round: he's not a 3-down player.

Mike 09-17-2009 08:48 AM

I think Cush being removed is more a product of them limiting his snaps coming back from the injury. I think we will see him as a blitzer as the season progresses.

Fonz the Boss 09-17-2009 01:31 PM

I would take Adibi over Cushing any day... I didnt like the Cush pick anyways. Adibi is faster and can cover ground better than Cushing.

barrett 09-17-2009 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 13864)
I would take Adibi over Cushing any day... I didnt like the Cush pick anyways. Adibi is faster and can cover ground better than Cushing.

Have you watched Adibi lately? He made huge mistakes almost everytime he got on the field in the preseason. He is either a small LB who can't play the run or a slow SS who can't cover. Either way I don't think he is an NFL football player.

Fonz the Boss 09-17-2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 13869)
Have you watched Adibi lately? He made huge mistakes almost everytime he got on the field in the preseason. He is either a small LB who can't play the run or a slow SS who can't cover. Either way I don't think he is an NFL football player.

He wasnt any of those descriptions last year. And what sucks is that maybe he wont get a chance to bounce back this year if his play time is limited because of Brian Juicing... I mean Cushing.

Arky 09-18-2009 12:04 AM

For those that missed it - check out Keith's writeup on the Jets game on the front page. Always worth a read after a game and is on my own weekly reading list....

barrett 09-18-2009 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 13872)
He wasnt any of those descriptions last year. And what sucks is that maybe he wont get a chance to bounce back this year if his play time is limited because of Brian Juicing... I mean Cushing.

What he was last year was hurt for over half the season.

Not to mention your argument is pointless because him and cushing play different positions. Adibi is currently on the bench because he was beaten out at WLB by Zac Diles. Cushing plays the SLB, a position where Adibi has never taken a snap.

papabear 09-18-2009 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 13872)
He wasnt any of those descriptions last year. And what sucks is that maybe he wont get a chance to bounce back this year if his play time is limited because of Brian Juicing... I mean Cushing.

I had high hopes for Adibi, and I still think there's a chance he turns into a decent player. That being said he has not looked good at all this year. He is constantly over-playing running plays and has been only average in coverage. He saw plenty of snaps last week, and I'm sure the coaches will give him every opportunity to take over for Diles.


Like Barret said though, Diles has outplayed him thus far. The only way Cushing has anything to do with Adibi is if he gets hurt and Diles goes back to strong side.

NBT 09-20-2009 06:58 PM

I have been out of town until today (Sunday vs the Titans), and what a difference a week makes. WE WON! But which is the true Texans team?


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