View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Chiefs Game Thread, 10/8/2017
The 2-2 Texans will host the 4-0 Kansas City Chiefs this Sunday night in a nationally televised game. The Texans are coming off a 57-14 home win vs. the Tennessee Titans and the Chiefs are coming off a 29-20 home win over the Washington Redskins on MNF. The Chief's defense has a good pass rush and they are 10th in pts allowed with 19.2/game. Though the Chiefs allow 274.2 passing yards/game (25th), they get stingy in the red zone. This may be another game where the Texans might be better served to go to the pass more than the run.......
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TV = NBC (channel 2 local), 7:30 pm, Sunday, 10/8/2017
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2017&wk=5) = Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = pickem to Chiefs -1
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (early) = Jacksonville @ Pittsburgh, Kevin Harlan, Rich Gannon
FOX (early) = Arizona @ Philadelphia, Chris Myers, Daryl Johnston
FOX (late) = Green Bay @ Dallas, Joe Buck, Troy Aikman
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Other Prime Time:
TNF = New England @ Tampa Bay (CBS/NFLN)
MNF = Minnesota @ Chicago (ESPN)
HPF Bob
10-04-2017, 04:38 PM
Both teams have taken turns manhandling each other in recent contests. Texans will need to establish the run early and stop those screens and passes in the flat that Reid loves to pummel us with. We also need Hal to come up big against Kelce.
Would thoroughly enjoy it if somebody came up to Andy Reid and thanked him for taking "that kid from Texas Tech" in the draft instead of Watson.
Found these trends posted in another forum:
Chiefs 13-0 ATS when visiting a non-divisional opponent with a lower winning percentage.
Chiefs 8-0 SUATS L8 on the Road.
Chiefs playing in Houston for the 4th time in just over 2 years, going 3-1, losing last season 19-12 in Week 2.
Texans 0-16 SU and 1-15 ATS as a dog vs a team that has averaged more than 392 yards of offense per game season to date.
Texans 0-12 SU in franchise history as a dog vs a non-divisional opponent when they are off a win in which they had at least two more
minutes of possession time than their season-to-date average.
Texans 0-12 SU vs a non-divisional opponent when they are off a win in which they rushed for 150-plus yards.
SU = straight up
ATS = against the spread
Not good. About the only positive thing to say here is that the data wasn't assembled in the Deshaun Watson "era".....
Video: Teddy Covers breaks down Houston vs. Kansas City (https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/nfl/v/kansas-city-chiefs-at-houston-texans-sports-bit-nfl-picks/52227).... TRT = 5:11
Teddy's stats guy calls it a preview of the AFC championship game.... I'd like to see that...
HPF Bob
10-07-2017, 11:44 PM
I distinctly remember home wins over both the Colts (during the Manning era) and the Patriots where I doubt we were favorites. Not sure this tout has his facts together.
I remember those games but who ya talking about? Which tout, which trend?
Even so, I'd be very reluctant to bet the house on KC........
barrett
10-08-2017, 03:46 PM
Those are meaningless trends. I bet most of those go back to before O'Brien was here. Football plays such few games that every trend is either small sample size from a data perspective, or it has to go so far back to get a decent sample size that the data is meaningless. Or both.
I guarantee if Houston loses it won't have anything to do with whether Houston ran for over 150 yards last week.
Basically the giant amount of money bet on football leads to artificial data mining and 'trends' so you can have something to offer as a prognosticator.
I see the manic-depressive Jags won today. The Titans are falling down the rabbit hole. Indy beat the 49ers in OT. Astros lost.
The good news is John McClain picked KC to win tonights game so there's a chance......
Kickoff in a few.....
Texans kick off and the Chiefs bring it back to their 19. A Chief injured on the play.
Hunt goes for 9.
Hunt gets 1 and the 1st down.
Hunt for 1.
Flat pass to Kelce gets 2. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Robinson goes for 16 and the 1st down.
Hunt caught for a loss of 2.
Short pass to Wilson gets 6. 3rd and 6 coming up. Merci hurt on the play.
Pass to Kelce good for the 1st down. 10 yards.
Pass to Kelce broken up by Hal, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Hunt stopped in the backfield by McKinney for a loss of 4. 3rd and 14 coming up.
Pass to Conley good for the 1st down at the Texan 22.
Smith can't find a receiver and scrambles for 7.
Hunt loses 2. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Smith's pass is short of the receiver, inc. Watt injured on the play. Chiefs going for the FG.
Butker's 35-yarder is good.
Chiefs 3, Texans 0
6:53 left in the 1st qtr.
Big Texas
10-08-2017, 07:52 PM
Well this is gonna have to be a shootout...
Big Texas
10-08-2017, 07:56 PM
Bruh...jeff Allen was listed as 38 out of 38...Lol
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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L Miller goes for 8.
Pass to Hop over the middle is broken up, inc. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Sweep to Thompson goes for 19 and the 1st down.
L Miller goes for 2.
Watson hits Ryan in the flat for a 1st down at the Chief 32.
L Miller for 1.
Pitch to Ellington goes nowhere, flags down.....illegal block in the back on the Texans, -10. Makes it 2nd and 19.
Oy, Watson misses badly over the middle, inc.
Pass to L Miller on the sideline goes inc. Holding on the Texans is declined. Lechler in to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Chief 11. Chief's ball.
2:49 left in the 1st qtr.
chuck
10-08-2017, 08:03 PM
Bruh...jeff Allen was listed as 38 out of 38...Lol
Where was Chris Clark, did you see?
barrett
10-08-2017, 08:03 PM
Right when we learn to score we lose two of our best defenders (probably for the year).
I guess we'll always have last week.
chuck
10-08-2017, 08:09 PM
Right when we learn to score we lose two of our best defenders (probably for the year).
I guess we'll always have last week.
JJ is obviously out for the year. Whitney seemed like a pectoral. Who knows how long that will affect him but I wouldn't think the year necessarily.
I'd already accepted that JJ would never return to be the player he was, but now with the knee, man, that's really too bad.
Pass to Hill gets 14.
Smith pressured, throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Hunt is stopped for loss of 1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Pass to Conley good for 12 and the 1st down.
Hunt for 2.
End of the 1st qtr.
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Pass to Kelce goes to the Texan 43 yard line, 1st down.
Pass to Harris goes for 11.
Hunt caught for no gain.
Hunt for 4. Nice tackle, Cole.... 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Kelce gets 4. Chiefs going for the FG.
Butker's 42-yarder is good.
Chiefs 6, Texans 0
11:23 left in the half.
Big Texas
10-08-2017, 08:21 PM
Where was Chris Clark, did you see?
Not last but a few spots from it...
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
L Miller goes for 4.
Watson pressured, throws inc to Fuller. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Watson's pass to Hop off the mark, inc. Texans to punt.
Punt is out of bounds at the Chief 38. Chief's ball.
Hunt goes for 2.
Flare pass to Hunt goes for 10 and the 1st down.
Deep pass goes over everyone, inc.
Hunt caught for a loss of 1.
On 3rd and 11, pass to Kelce goes for 20, 1st down.
Hunt gets loose for about 12 but flag is down.....holding on the Texans, add 10 to the end of the run. Places the ball at the Texan 14.
Flat pass to Kelce goes for 7.
Smith can't find a receiver and keeps for loss of 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Smith has all day and finds West for the TD.
Chiefs 13, Texans 0
5:45 left in the half.
Big Texas
10-08-2017, 08:29 PM
Well we've seen this movie before...
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Foreman goes for 6.
Oh shitsky, Foreman fumbles and the Chiefs recover. Chief's ball at the Texan 26.
Hunt for 3. Dunn injured on the play. Injury timeout.
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On 2nd and 7 at the Texan 23, Smith pressed and throws inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Smith's pass over everyone, inc. Chiefs to go for the FG.
Butker's 41-yarder is good.
Chiefs 16, Texans 0
4:17 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Umph, slant pass to Hop broken up, inc.
L Miller for 15. Nice run.
L Miller goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
L Miller for 4 and the 1st down.
Watson keeps on the option for 13. Ball at the Chief 35.
Foreman! Powers for 25! Ball at the 10 yard line.
2 minute warning.
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L Miller goes for 4. Chiefs use a timeout.
Watson hits Hop in the end zone for the TD! Flag on the Chiefs for PI is declined.
Chiefs 16, Texans 7
1:49 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Chief's ball at their 25.
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Smith can't find a receiver and scrambles for 7.
Smith pressured, and runs for 2. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Flat pass to Kelce goes for 10, 1st down.
Pass to Kelce gets nice gain, flag on the Texans for helmet to helmet. Places the ball at the Texan 15. 1:05 left in the half.
Smith can't find a receiver and scrambles for 3.
Pass to Harris goes to the 3 yard line, 1st and goal. 52 seconds left in the half.
Smith starts to run but pulls up and throws it away. Flag on the Chiefs for lineman downfield. 5 yards. Ball placed a the 9 yard line.
Smith pressured, throws it away, inc. Clowney roughs the passer. Ball at the 4, auto 1st down.
Flare pass to West goes for the TD.
Chiefs 23, Texans 7
34 seconds left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Pass to Ellington gets 22. 27 seconds left in the half.
Watson sacked. Loss of 6. Texans use a timeout with 21 seconds left in the half.
Pass too short for Fuller, flag down.....X gets a illegal hands to the face, back it up 10. 2nd and 26 coming up.
Watson pressured, throws inc. 8 seconds left in the half.
Pass to Hop along the sideline is inc. Time runs out.
Halftime.
Chiefs 23, Texans 7
2nd hafl kickoff is brought back to the Texan 21.
Foreman for 2.
Foreman for 2. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Watson sacked. Texans to punt.
Hill loses yards on the punt. Ball at the Chief 16. Chief's ball.
12:51 left in the 3rd qtr.
Hunt for 9.
Hunt for no gain. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Hunt for 5, 1st down.
Pass to Wilson gets 12.
Hunt goes for 13, but holding on the Chiefs makes it 1st and 16.
Pass to Harris goes for 1.
Pass to Travis gets 8.
On 3rd and 7, Smith keeps for short gain. Chiefs have to punt.
Punt is downed at the Texan 22. Texan's ball.
7:18 left in the 3rd qtr.
Big Texas
10-08-2017, 09:37 PM
Is it me or has Ellington just snatched Braxton Miller's job right from off the street...
Dump to Ellington gets 8.
Check down to Foreman gets the 1st down.
L Miller goes for 18.
Deep pass to Ellington draws the PI. 31 yards. Ball at the Chief 18.
Fuller goes around left end for 5.
L Miller goes for 4. 3rd and 1 coming up.
L Miller gets stopped, jeminy. Texans going for it on 4th and inches.
Watson hits Fuller for the TD!
Texans going for 2.
Pass to Fuller is inc. on the 2 pt conversion.
Chiefs 23, Texans 13
3:20 left in the 3rd qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Chief's ball at their 25.
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C'mon defense.
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Flat pass to Hill gets 10.
Hunt for 5.
Pass to Hill gets 6 and the 1st down.
Hunt for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Screen to Hunt is sniffed out by Clowney, loss of 6. 3rd and 16 coming up.
Jeez, deep pass to Hill good for 38. OB challenging that it was not a catch (out of bounds).
Ruling stands, completed catch.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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Pass to Hill in the endzone goes inc.
Checkdown to Hill goes for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up. Ball on the Texan 22.
Chiefs use a timeout.
On 3rd and 5, pass too tall for the receiver. Chiefs to go for the FG.
Butker's 35-yarder is good.
Chiefs 26, Texans 13
14:01 left in the game.
Is it me or has Ellington just snatched Braxton Miller's job right from off the street...
Hate to say it but B Miller getting injured may be a blessing in disguise.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25. Add 5 for offisides Chiefs.
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L Miller for 2.
Pass to Hop along the sidelines, inc.
On 3rd and 8, Watson can't find a receiver and scrambles for 16, 1st down.
L Miller for 4.
Bombs away! Watson hits Fuller on the deep ball for the TD! 48 yards.
Chiefs 26, Texans 20
12 minutes left in the game.
chuck
10-08-2017, 10:07 PM
That was sick.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the 30. Chief's ball.
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Pass to Travis gets 18.
Hunt goes for 2.
Flat pass to Conley gets 15. Ball at the Texan 35.
Hunt goes all the way to the 12 yard line.
Hunt for 2. 2nd 8 coming up at the Texan 10.
Thomas waltzes in for the TD on the jet sweep.
Chiefs going for 2.
2 pt attempt goes inc.
Chiefs 32, Texans 20
8:57 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texans ball at their 25. C Moore injured on the play.
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Checkdown to Griffin gets 8.
Jeez, L Miller runs into X for loss of 3.
On 3rd down and 4, Watson gets sacked. Flag on the Texans for holding is declined. Texans to punt.
Punt is returned by Hill all the way for the TD.
Chiefs 39, Texans 20.
7:22 left in the game.
Thompson bring the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 20. Texan's ball.
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Checkdown to Miller goes for a 1st down.
Pass to Griffin too tall, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Watson keeps for about 10 but flag is down....holding on Martin back it up. 2nd and 20 coming up.
Watson can't find a receiver and runs for 2. 3rd and 18 coming up.
Deep pass to Hop is caught but out of bounds, inc. Texans to punt.
Punt returner is tackled at the 15, but flag is down.....illegal use of the hands on the Chiefs, ½ the distance. Places the ball at the Chief 9.
5:19 left in the game.
Chiefs have holding call on their 1st play, ½ the distance. Ball at the 5 yard line.
Hunt gets loose for 23.
Hunt (?) for 4.
Hunt for no gain.
On 3rd and 6, West gets 1. Chiefs will punt on 4th and 5.
Punt is brought back by Fuller to the Chief 37. Texan's ball.
Deep pass to Hop in the end zone uncatchable, inc. 3:21 left in the game.
Checkdown to L Miller gets 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Eheh, Watson hits Hop in the endzone for the TD.
Texans going for 2.
Pass to Ellington inc on the 2-pt attempt.
Chiefs 39, Texans 26
2:57 left in the game.
Onside kick is recovered by the Chiefs. Conley injured on the recovery. Ball at the Texan 35. Chief's ball. 2:55 left in the game.
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Hunt for 5.
Hunt gets caught for a loss of -2. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Hunt gets 2 or 3. Chiefs going for the FG.
Texans use a timeout.
Butker's 49-yarder is good.
Chiefs 42, Texans 26
1:08 left in the game.
barrett
10-08-2017, 10:54 PM
Seriously, it is sad but appropriate that the entirety of JJ Watt's phenomenal career was likely wasted with useless QBs to make his performances footnotes.
The defense looks awful. We have gotten no pressure and we haven't covered anyone all night. Vrabel needs to be let go to whatever greener pastures came calling last year so we can return to Crenell. Watching tonight, Mercilous may be more valuable to us than Clowney. Clowney has struggled with blocking attention skewed in his direction. When nobody else is collapsing the pocket, Clowney's power based moves are limited. McKinney looks good. The whole secondary was awful tonight. The defense is overpaid and declining in more spots than it's ascending. And we may never get anything real from Watt again while he's so popular there is no chance we move on from his salary in the next 2 years. I fear we need to get used to giving up 30.
The good news is Watson is a stud and that matters more than everything else combined. Hopkins is reliable and Fuller is a real weapon in a league where you need big plays to score. Any RB will work when the QB attracts that much attention. Now if we can assemble a defense and an OL around them.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texans ball at their 25.
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Pass to Hop off the mark, inc.
Flat pass to Hop gets about 10 or 11.
Pass to Anderson goes for 21.
Spike with 32 seconds left.
Watson throws a jump ball that goes to the 1 yard line to Anderson.
Spike with 5 seconds left.
Pass to Hop in the endzone goes for the TD. Going for 2.
Watson keeps for the 2 pts.
Time runs out.
Final score:
Chiefs 42, Texans 34
Keith
10-09-2017, 12:11 AM
Is Vrabel to blame for the big decline in defense? Is it scheme or declining talent? Has losing Wilfork, Bouye, and Cushing been that much?
Tough questions, but something isn't right. Dylan Cole has been a find, Cunningham is promising, McKinney is a stud when playing to his assets. Obvi, losing Mercilus for the year will be tough to overcome, but there is still a solid core here. I'm of a mind that Vrabel needs to figure this out.
Sucks to lose Watt again, but he was not the same this season. He seemed gassed more frequently and just didn't seem as strong. And now this injury... could be career-threatening? Depressing.
chuck
10-09-2017, 01:34 AM
The way I see it, this team wasn't really going anywhere anyway. For whatever reason the FO didn't take this year seriously. (Perhaps they wanted BOB to fail so they could get rid of him without too much scandal.) They did dick to improve the OL, they let their best corner walk when they had more than enough money to franchise him (or of course sign him long term). I don't know if they were really waiting for Romo or not. If they were, in some ways that seems even more stupid than if they weren't.
I'd already come around to the sad truth that JJ was never going to be anywhere near the same player that he was when he was the best football player on the planet and I was OK with that. The defense played at championship level last year, but as we know, this isn't the same defense, and it will also be without Mercilus.
It's impossible to say how good this team is relative to the other teams in the conference. The other potentially competitive teams are such Jekyll and Hydes that I really can't get a decent handle on who is likely to be good in December beyond the team we just played. So who knows, maybe there's another 9-7 in there somewhere for the Texans and another sneak into the playoffs. I hope so, because it sure is tough for a rookie to learn on the fly in the playoffs, as the Cowboys and their rookie quarterback demonstrated last year.
So for once in my life I'm just going to throw expectations out the window, throw my hatred for the owner out the window, throw my contempt for his Eddie Haskell GM out the window, and just enjoy watching the magic that is Deshaun Watson on the football field. The Texans lose every remaining game 50-48? IDGAF. I'm just going to watch Deshaun do what he does until the inevitable moment comes when some fking castoff that the team has starting on the OL gets him sent to the ER. Then I'll probably go back to being the friendly, neighborhood poster you all know and love.
By the way, nunu, the bet's off.
Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Texans as 12 pt favorites over the Browns next week. I suppose that is probably right.... Perhaps they'll take some of their recent frustrations out on the Browns...
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The smart Andy Reid (I hate complimenting that fat bastard) and the experienced Alex Smith really made the defense look bad. The defense is in trouble and hopefully can do a good enough job to take care of business with the Browns before they limp into the bye. They need the regroup time...
I like what I've seen so far from Gilchrist so far, don't like what I've seen from Banks. Cole and Cunningham have to grow up fast. Drummond was demoted recently and then re-signed to the practice squad. Some guy named Ben Heeney (ILB) was acquired from the Saints.
KC proved to be a strong team and deep.....weapons galore. With the growing experience of Watson and the more familiar he becomes with the offense and his personnel, I think the offense is going to be OK. But that defense, they worry me... If a possible rematch with KC happens this year, the defense needs a reload to be competitive....
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The updates to the Watt injury will probably come out in the next few days, but I'm hearing that tibia fractures come in different varieties. Small break, large break and then there's a break with ligament damage. There's a chance he's got a small break and could possibly be back by the end of the year...
nunusguy
10-09-2017, 08:48 AM
By the way, nunu, the bet's off.
The Chuckster says no SB for the Texans this year, ah no say it ain't so.
Watt & Mercilus both out for the year, that seriously sucks and really is a giant blow, make that a double blow to the defense.
Everybody in the division is 2-3 after the Jags who are 3-2. Hey and I'll tell you the Jags are no joke this year. With the Texans playing last night they and Pittsburg were in the local AFC TV game and that defense is for real as they
forced Big Ben to do his best Blake Bortles impersonation and throw 5 pics. And for the Jags Bortles didn't throw a single pick.
Watson does make it entertaining and interesting for us Texans fans. The rookie is a magician out there and with Fuller back we've for sure got a vertical feature to the passing game now.
barrett
10-09-2017, 08:56 AM
The Chuckster says no SB for the Texans this year, ah no say it ain't so.
Watt & Mercilus both out for the year, that seriously sucks and really is a giant blow, make that a double blow to the defense.
Everybody in the division is 2-3 after the Jags who are 3-2. Hey and I'll tell you the Jags are no joke this year. With the Texans playing last night they and Pittsburg were in the local AFC TV game and that defense is for real as they
forced Big Ben to do his best Blake Bortles impersonation and throw 5 pics. And for the Jags Bortles didn't throw a single pick.
Watson does make it entertaining and interesting for us Texans fans. The rookie is a magician out there and with Fuller back we've for sure got a vertical feature to the passing game now.
The Jags really did look good. If they have a lead they are very tough. If they are behind they are cooked. They are like the 2014-2016 Texans with a little worse defense.
This week's roster changes (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/transactions.html):
10/10/2017 The Houston Texans claimed the following player off waivers from the New York Jets: CB Marcus Williams
10/10/2017 The Houston Texans released the following two players from the active roster: CB Johnthan Banks and T Jah Reid
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