View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Bengals Game Thread, 11/23/14
Nconroe
11-19-2014, 01:52 PM
The game will be here. Should be a close game.
Battleredblog had a link to nice article at
http://www.cincyjungle.com/bengals-texans-week-12-2004-nfl/2014/11/19/7238211/primer-cincinnati-bengals-6-3-1-at-houston-texans-5-5
they had a nice stat table comparing two teams offense, defense, and special teams
OFFENSE BENGALS TEXANS
Total 346.3 (17th) 354.4 (15th)
Scoring 22.4 (16th) 22.9 (15th)
Third Downs 38% (22nd) 38% (24th)
Rushing 124.3 (9th) 144.6 (3rd)
Rushing TDs 12 (t-3rd) 8 (t-9th)
20-Yard Runs 7 (t-8th) 9 (t-6th)
Passing 222.0 (21st) 209.8 (28th)
Passing TDs 12 (27th) 13 (t-22nd)
Sacks Allowed 13 (3rd) 20 (t-13th)
20-yard Passes 27 (25th) 32 (t-15th)
DEFENSE BENGALS TEXANS
Total 385.7 (28th) 389.5 (30th)
Scoring 22.1 (15th) 20.4 (t-8th)
3rd Downs Allowed 40% (12th) 36% (7th)
Rushing 136.2 (28th) 111.4 (16th)
Rushing TDs 12 (t-28th) 5 (t-5th)
Passing 249.5 (20th) 278.1 (31st)
Passing TDs 11 (1st) 19 (t-24th)
Sacks 13 (29th) 21 (19th)
QB Rating 79.2 (5th) 89.1 (12th)
Interceptions 10 (t-10th) 11 (t-8th)
SPECIAL TEAMS BENGALS TEXANS
Kickoff Return 27.5 (4th) 21.5 (28th)
Punt Return 11.6 (6th) 5.9 (29th)
Punting (Net) 44.2 (2nd) 37.8 (26th)
Punts Inside the 20 19 (t-6th) 15 (t-18)
TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon Sunday, Nov 23
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2014&wk=12) = Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Texans by 1 to 1.5
Joe Public going with the Bengals here after their impressive win @ New Orleans.
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
Late afternoon:
CBS = Miami @ Denver -- Jim Nantz, Phil Simms
FOX = Arizona @ Seattle -- Kevin Burkhardt, John Lynch
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TNF = Kansas City @ Oakland (NFLN)
SNF = Dallas @ NY Giants (NBC)
MNF = Baltimore @ New Orleans (ESPN)
HPF Bob
11-20-2014, 10:41 AM
A huge swath of America is getting this game, too. Although if the Jets and Bills are playing in 30 feet of snow, I might prefer to watch that,
nunusguy
11-20-2014, 11:56 AM
What's the logic on us getting Arizona @ Seattle and not Detroit @ NE in the Fox contest ? I'm not necessarily complaining, I'm just curious how they arrive at some of these decisions about which game to telecast in a given metro or area ? Those are both attractive games, but the game that features the only AFC team (and very possibly the top seed in the AFC playoffs) in the two contests is not being telecast, and yet we are of course an AFC team ourselves which at this time still has some hope of making post season.
HPF Bob
11-20-2014, 04:52 PM
Houston may be an "AFC city" but Fox is the "NFC network". Usually, the network tells each affiliate what game they are getting but an affiliate will, at times, get permission to be switched to another game they perceive will draw better ratings, sometimes because of college ties or because of divisional rivalries.
I've noticed whenever Fox is sending a game to the DFW market, they will send them a game involving an NFC East team if they can't show the Cowboys. But logic doesn't always seem to win out and you have excellent points. All I can tell you is the suits at Fox thought the SB champs versus the top NFC team this year was more attractive to local viewers than the Patriots and Lions and the local Fox affiliate did nothing to protest it.
@TexansVoice: Roof is open today!
HPF Bob
11-23-2014, 10:27 AM
May the ghost of T.J. Yates be with Mallett today. The weather forecast calls for Blue skies but the Bagels hope to counter with Green fields.
Big game, big game.
Foster out. I'm thinking they oughta just let him get good and healed up for the Colts game (and I hope that game means something)....
And here we go........
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Texans win the toss and defer. Bengals to receive.
Kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback. Bengals ball at their 20.
Nconroe
11-23-2014, 12:07 PM
Hmm, I'm not near as sure as the TV announcer than WR had ball over 30 yd line before he went out of bounds with his foot before 30 yd line.
Flat pass to Green good for 5.
Bernard for 1. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Pass to Gresham gets almost 4...... Ball is marked short of the 1st down, Bengals to challenge that the receiver stretched for the 1st down....
Play is reversed, 1st down.
Dumpoff to Bernard gets 8.
Bernard caught for a TFL by Watt for loss of 1. Brings up 3rd and 2.
Bernard stopped cold, no gain. Bengals will have to punt.
K Martin fair catches the punt about the Texan 9 yard line. Texan's ball.
Nconroe
11-23-2014, 12:11 PM
Looks like sun is in Texans eyes this first quarter.
Blue for about 2.
Blue for about 2 more. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Oy, Mallett's pass is INT'ed but flags are down.... PI on the Bengals... whew, 1st down Texans at their 28.
Blue goes left for about 9.
Mallett sneaks for about 2 and the 1st down.
Blue for 1.
Pass to AJ off the mark, inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Pass to a leaping AJ good for the 1st down at the Bengal 46. (Pacman) Jones injured on the play... injury timeout with 9:01 left in the 1st qtr.
Screen to Grimes thrown too high, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Screen to D Johnson goes for 4. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to AJ too high, inc. Texans to punt on 4th and 6.
Lechler's punt is fair caught at the 5 yard line. Bengal's ball.
Mallett needs to chill a bit.
Hill for about 3.
Dalton's pass is batted down by Watt, inc. Brings up 3rd and 7. A Smith (Bengals) shaken up on the play.
Pass to Sanu good for 10 and the 1st down.
Bernard gets loose for about 19.
Hill gets 14 up the gut. Ball at the Texan 49.
Hill goes left for 4.
Dalton pressured, throws it away, inc. but flags down. Illegal contact on the Texans = 5 yards and an auto 1st down at the Texan 40. 4:39 left in the 1st qtr.
Dalton TFL'ed by Swearinger for loss of 2.
Pass to Green good for 10. Brings up 3rd and 2.
Pass to Green good for 10 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 21.
Bernard for 4.
Bernard for 4 more. Brings up 3rd and 2.
Quick slant to Green gets 7 and the 1st down at the Texan 6. 1st and goal.
Pass to Sanu goes for the TD.
Bengals 7, Texans 0
1:19 left in the 1st qtr.
Manning kneels the ensuing kickoff, touchback. Texan's ball at their 20.
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Blue goes left for 6.
Blue for no gain. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Mallett's pass nearly INT'ed but inc. Texans have to punt.
Nice return on the punt (29 yards) but flags are down.... Offsetting penalties.... Bengals will have the ball at the spot of their foul.
End of the 1st qtr.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 12:41 PM
Today looks like the good Andy Dalton and the bad Ryan Mallett, atleast in the first quarter.
Bengal's ball at their 20.
Hill for no gain.
Pass to Bernard goes for 13.
Pass to Green goes for about 20. Ball at the Texan 47.
Hill gets 9.
Hill gets 2 and the 1st down.
Pass to Sanu gets 11.
Bengals use a timeout (#1).
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Bengals just dinkin' and dunkin' their way down the field....
Ball at the Texan 24.
Pass to Green goes for 15. 1st and goal at the 9.
Bernard goes left for 1.
Dalton bobbles the snap but still gets 2 yards. 3rd and goal at the 6.
Pass to Green goes to the 1......Brings up 4th and goal...Bengals going for it......
Pass to Green is caught but out of bounds! Texans ball at their 1 yard line. 9:02 left in the half.
Blue stumbles/trips on the sweep and gets caught for a safety.
Bengals 9, Texans 0
Texans to punt/kickoff back to the Bengals.
Lechler's punt is brought back to the Bengal 38. Bengal's ball.
Pass to Green gets 6.
Hill for no gain. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Dalton can't find a receiver and scrambles for 3..... Bengals to punt.....
K Martin returns the punt to the Texan 15. Texan's ball with 6:49 left in the half.
Blue TFL'ed for -1.
Mallett's pass too high for Fido, inc. but illegal contact on the Bengals makes it 1st and 10 at the Texan 19.
Blue for maybe 2.
Short pass to Blue goes for 11 and a 1st down.
Pass to Hop goes for 11.
Pass to Hop gets 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets 2 and a flag is down......no flag say the refs.... Brings up 3rd and 3.
Pass to Hop gets the 1st down at the Bengal 38.
Dumpoff to Blue goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Blue for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Screen to D Johnson goes for 7. Texans going for it on 4th down.
Grimes gets about 6 and the 1st down.
Timeout Bengals (#2). Ball at the Bengal 22.
False start on Newton, -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Draw to Blue gets 9. A Bengal injured on the play. 2nd and 6 coming up.
2 minute warning.
Ball at the Bengal 18.
Screen to AJ goes for no gain. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to AJ off the mark, inc. Texans to go for the FG.
Bullock's 36-yarder is good.
Bengals 9, Texans 3
1:45 left in the half.
Bengals bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 21. Bengal's ball.
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Screen to Green gets 12.
Pass to Gresham gets 7.
Flags presnap, false start Bengals, -5. Makes it 2nd and 8 with 24 seconds left in the half. Ball at the Bengal 35.
Dalton can't find a receiver and scrambles for 2. 4 seconds left in the half.
Bengals use their last timeout.
On 3rd and 6, Dalton kneels it.
Halftime.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 01:29 PM
We are fortunate it's only 9-3 at the half. When's Mallett gonna throw the ball downfield ?
Halftime stats:
Passing: Mallett 9/15, 66 yards
Rushing: Blue 11/30, Grimes 1/8
Receiving: Hopkins 4/31, AJ 2/14, D Johnson 2/10
Tackles: Lewis 7, Morris 6, Bouye/Dent/Crick 4 each, Cush/Watt/Manning 3 each, Swearinger/Rolle/Jamison/Pagan/Reed 2 each
Total yards: Texans 106, Bengals 214
1st downs: Texans 8, Bengals 14
3rd down efficiency: Texans 2/6, Bengals 4/8
Red zone: Texans 0/1, Bengals 1/2
Penalties: Texans 2/10, Bengals 3/25
Turnovers: Texans 0, Bengals 0
Time of possession: Texans 10:35, Bengals 19:25
chuck
11-23-2014, 01:35 PM
That was as bad a half of football as I can remember the Texans playing. We've seen very, very questionable play calling on both sides of the ball. But we're a touchdown away from the lead. A good team would have the Texans buried by now. Fortunately the Bengals aren't very good.
Manning brings the 2nd half kickoff back to the Texan 21. Texan's ball.
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Oh no, Mallet's first pass is INT'ed by Maualuga. Bengals ball.
Hill for 4. Ball at the Texan 28.
Hill for 2. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Pass to Green goes to the Texan 5 yard line. 1st and goal.
Hill for 4 yards to the 1 yard line.
Hill for no gain/loss of 1. 3rd and goal.
Hill punches it in.
Bengals 16, Texans 3
11:48 left in the 3rd qtr.
The Texans down the ensuing kickoff for a touchback. Texans ball at their 20.
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Blue for 1.
Pass too high for AJ, inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Pass to Graham just gets 8. Texans will have to punt.
Jones returns the punt to the Bengal 32. Bengal's ball.
Mallett's all over the place today. Not a good look.
Kinda makes sense in an NFL way.... Browns crush the Bengals, Texans crush the Browns, Texans getting crushed by the Bengals.... All on the road.....
Dalton pressured, throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Bernard rushes for about 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Quick slant to Green gets 7 and the 1st down. Ball at the Bengal 48. About 9 minutes left in the 3rd qtr.
Bernard gets 2.
Bernard gets 1. Brings up 3rd and 7.
Pick 6! Joseph!
Bengals 16, Texans 10
7:19 left in the 3rd qtr.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 01:57 PM
I can tell the immediate difference between last year and this one. Dispite the horrible play on defense and offense I kept waiting for the eventual defensive turnover. This defense has been a turnover machine.
Just hope we can generate any kind of offense.
Bengals bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 34 yard line. Bengal's ball.
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Hill for 3.
Pass to Sanu is broken up by Morris, inc. Brings up 3rd and 7.
Pass to Wright off the mark, inc. Bengals to punt.
K Martin fair catches the punt at the Texan 17. Texan's ball.
Short pass to Blue gets 4.
Blue gets 9 and gets horse-collared on the tackle.....add 15. Puts the ball at the Texan 45.
Short pass to Blue gets 5.
Oy, pass to Hop too tall inc. Brings up 3rd and 5.
Pass to Hop gets 8 and the 1st down.
Pass to AJ goes for 22. Ball at the Bengal 20.
Grimes goes left side for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Blue spins for 4 and a 1st down. 1st and goal at the 8.
Mallett's pass is batted down, inc. 2nd and goal coming up.
Blue for 2. Makes it 3rd and goal from the 6.
Pass to AJ broken up, inc. Texans to go for the FG.
Bullock's 25-yarder is good.
Bengals 16, Texans 13
1:52 left in the 3rd qtr.
chuck
11-23-2014, 02:09 PM
Mallett is bizarrely inaccurate on short passes.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 02:10 PM
Mallett's all over the place today. Not a good look.
His accuracy is non existent today.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:13 PM
Well...will the real Ryan Mallet please stand up...
Bengals bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 16. Bengal's ball.
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Bernard for 4.
Pass to Sanu gets 10 and the 1st down. Ball at the Bengal 30.
Bernard goes left for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
End of the 3rd qtr.
Well...will the real Ryan Mallet please stand up...
He's got a look in his eye today.... something.... too much Gatorade or something....
On 2nd and 9, Dalton scrambles for the 1st but flags are down.... offsetting penaties..... repeat 2nd down.
Short pass to Gresham gets 3. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Gresham gets a 1st down at the Texan 47.
Bernard for no gain.
Slant to Green gets 13.
Sanu rushes for 1.
Dalton pressured, throws it away, inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Pass to Sanu gets 10 and the 1st down.
Bernard for 5.
Pass to Green broken up by Morris, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Timeout Bengals (#1).
On 3rd and 5, Clowney jumps offsides = 3rd and less than a yard.
Dalton sneaks for 1 and the 1st down.
Bernard TFL'ed for loss of 1.
Pass to Sanu in the endzone goes inc. Makes it 3rd and 10 coming up.
Bengals use another timeout (#2).
On 3rd and 10, pass to Gresham is inc. Bengals to go for the FG.
Nugent's 31-yarder is good.
Bengals 19, Texans 13
8:48 left in the game.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:30 PM
Couldn't have drawn it up any better...8 min to go... Chance to take the lead...Which Mallett do we see?
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:37 PM
Who the hell is this announcer?
He sounds as pessimistic as I have ever heard.
Yes it seemed pretty clear but damn...did he have to say it like that...
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback. Texan's ball at their 20.
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Pass to Griffin too high, inc.
Pass to Grimes gets 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Deep pass to Hopkins is caught for 32 yards but it looks like it will go as inc. Bengals are challenging that the left foot was out and they would be correct.
Play is reversed. Texans will punt on 4th and 4.
Punt is downed at the Bengal 33. Bengal's ball.
Who the hell is this announcer?
He sounds as pessimistic as I have ever heard.
Yes it seemed pretty clear but damn...did he have to say it like that...
Fouts is terrible. That call on the horsecollar..... terrible...
Hill for -1.
Dalton scrambles but is tracked down by Mercilus, gain of 1. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Gresham inc. Bengals to punt.
Martin brings the punt back to the Texan 16. Texan's ball.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:43 PM
Let's try it again. How many times can you say that...typically the team would have drove all the way down the field and ran the clock out. However, we have been given another shot...
6:15 left in the game.
Mallett's pass over the middle to AJ is tipped inc.
Blue for 2. Brings up 3rd and 8.
Mallett is sacked. Texans will have to punt.
Jones returns the punt to the Bengal 48 but flags are down.....illegal block in the back on the Bengals places the ball at the Bengal 32.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:46 PM
And we get nothing...I guess all we can hope for is a pick 6
chuck
11-23-2014, 02:52 PM
I liked it better when Clowney wasn't playing. We could all fantasize about his being worth a shit.
Hill for 3.
Hill for 1. Brings up 3rd and 6 with about 4 minutes left in the game.
Pass to Hill gets about 9 and the 1st down.
Hill gets loose for 30. Ball at the Texan 25. Texans use their 1st timeout.
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Lewis with the nice TFL on Bernard. Loss of 5. 2nd and 15 coming up.
Toss to Hill gets 9. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Bernard gets about 9 but holding on the Bengals brings it back. Makes it 3rd and 16.
Bernard for no gain. Bengals will probably go for the FG....
2 minute warning.
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 02:54 PM
I liked it better when Clowney wasn't playing. We could all fantasize about his being worth a shit.
As much as I wanna believe that Clowney would be the savior he has been a rotational player at best.
I can only hope that he will get better with time. JJ has been getting doubled and tripled all day with no help
Nugent's 49-yarder is good.
Bengals 22, Texans 13
1:55 left in the game.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 03:00 PM
Mallett couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today, we would have been better off with Fitz. Couple more games like this and they can dust Savage off and send him out there for a start/tryout.
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback. Texans will have the ball at their 20.
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Mallett's pass out of bounds, inc.
Pass to D Johnson gets 11.
Pass to Hop broken up, inc.
Mallett's pass too high, inc. Brings up 3rd and 10.
Pass to D Johnson is dropped, inc. Texans going for it on 4th down.
Pass to Graham gets 12.
Another pass to Graham goes to the Bengal 41.
Short pass to Graham gets 5.
Pass to Grimes goes to the 20.
Spike, with 20 seconds left.
Pass to Grimes goes to the 10 yard line.
Pass to Graham in the end zone broken up, inc.
Pass to Hop in the end zone off the mark, inc. 6 seconds left.
Pass to D Johnson too high, inc. 2 seconds left, 4th and goal.
Final play of the game, pass is broken up, inc.
Final score:
Bengals 22, Texans 13
Big Texas
11-23-2014, 03:10 PM
Yeah, Mallet definitely has potential, however if inconsistency is his demon, then I'd rather cut my losses now. I can't deal with another inconsistent QB.
BTW completely unrelated comment, I liked undrafted Arian Foster more than Star RB Arian Foster...my personal issue...he seems too damned uninterested to me...
chuck
11-23-2014, 03:24 PM
The Texans passed the ball 45 times for a total of I think it was 189 yards. That is damn near impossible to do.
I might give Mallett another start but unless he looks like Joe Montana I would definitely want to see Savage unless he's completely lost in practice.
chuck
11-23-2014, 03:25 PM
Oh, and I like any kind of Arian Foster except the injured one. I don't care for that one at all.
barrett
11-23-2014, 03:41 PM
The knock on Mallett before today was lack of accuracy. Obviously that is an accurate knock. I think there were a dozen plays where he just threw it as hard as he could at a general area of the field. The worst was the play they weren't sure whether he overthrew AJ by a lot or Demeris by a little. I'd definitely like to see him play with Arian before I move on to Savage. But either way, I love that we are 70 plays closer to knowing if we need to move on from Mallett. Knowing the answer to that question (and the same about Mallett) is the 2nd most important thing to me. The first is whether O'Brien can coach and I feel good about that.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 04:10 PM
The Texans passed the ball 45 times for a total of I think it was 189 yards. That is damn near impossible to do.
I was wondering how Mallett could get out of today with that many passes and just one pick, but then I realized he was so erratic, so totally off mark that many of his passes were uncatchable for both his receivers and the Cinci defensive players covering the receivers. Big Ryan wasn't even in the right area code on quite a few of those passes. I can't recall seeing another regular season NFL game with a passer as wildly inaccurate as Mallett was today.
I was wondering how Mallett could get out of today with that many passes and just one pick, but then I realized he was so erratic, so totally off mark that many of his passes were uncatchable for both his receivers and the Cinci defensive players covering the receivers. Big Ryan wasn't even in the right area code on quite a few of those passes. I can't recall seeing another regular season NFL game with a passer as wildly inaccurate as Mallett was today.
So you want to hold off on that extension a little while longer? :rolleyes:
My fear is that Mallett's talent is going to be in the middle of last week and this week, forcing a difficult decision. Smith isn't exactly known for making the right call....
HPF Bob
11-23-2014, 06:01 PM
We finally got "Good Andy" this time but our defenders made it easy, especially in the first half, with very loose coverage. I really didn't see the quick decision and throw plays that worked so well last week. Their defenders got in the grill of our receivers (easy to do because none of them have separation speed - AJ used to but he hasn't had separation at all this year). So when the running game didn't work, defenders could shut down our passing game.
I'd also like to see a few more crossing patterns and rub patterns to get guys open. It seems we throw too much to the sidelines.
The Bagels are an inconsistent team. When they are clicking they are tough to beat. When they aren't, like two weeks ago in Cleveland, they are easy to beat. Unfortunately, we didn't create the opportunities to beat them. The offense gave us just six points.
But this team is clearly a work in progress. Can't expect miracles right away.
I am curious how often a visiting team gets major defensive penalty flags picked up twice in one game. You sure never see that in Foxboro or Pittsburgh.
@McClain_on_NFL: Mallett played with an injury to his right pectoral muscle, will undergo an MRI and could be lost for several weeks.
@McClain_on_NFL: Mallett suffered the pectoral injury at Cleveland. He was on injury report with a chest injury as probable and didn't miss a down.
Keith
11-23-2014, 08:26 PM
Mallett's accuracy has been a known concern. Which is why the gameplan today boggled me. Lots of plays designed to the flats. Mallett is not a Captain Checkdown kind of guy, so why employ an offense like he is?
I understand that outside of Hopkins, this team lacks deep threats, but the team really should have taken more deep shots downfield in early down situations. Blue had nowhere to run this week.
Mallett had the bye week to prepare for the Browns, and he looked smart. This time he did not have that advantage, and it showed.
Warren
11-23-2014, 08:41 PM
Mallett threw more in the bench area during the game than I've ever seen a QB do before -- not just coming out of halftime, but between several series. I thought it might've been a nervous thing, but he must have been trying to loosen up that pec muscle.
Nconroe
11-23-2014, 09:48 PM
Late news saying Mallett played hurt with Pectoral muscle and may miss a few games. So, if Mallett rests, do we see Savage?
The game today was winnable, so that's too bad, or good, depending on perspective toward wins vs higher draft pick.
nunusguy
11-23-2014, 10:23 PM
Late news saying Mallett played hurt with Pectoral muscle and may miss a few games. So, if Mallett rests, do we see Savage?
That would be some kind of explanation for the difference between Malletts performance last week vs this week. Inconsistency is one thing, but night and day are much more than that. In the meantime, I say by all means take advantage of the opportunity to play Savage if Mallett is out for a couple weeks, how could the team stand to gain anything by going back to Fitz at this point in the season ?
HPF Bob
11-23-2014, 10:47 PM
Considering the next two weeks are Tennessee and Jacksonville, I would start Fitz if I wanted a 7-win season and a mediocre draft position. If I wanted a five-win season and a higher draft position, I would start Savage who probably hasn't seen much action, even in practice, while they were grooming Mallett. Yes, I'd like to see Savage under pressure too but I don't think he'll be very good, even against sub-par teams (that are getting better, btw). So, if you can stomach losing the way we did last year, switch to Savage and if you'd prefer to have the best chance you can to win, you'll go back to Fitz.
Keith
11-23-2014, 11:05 PM
O'Brien is a new coach, and a new coach needs wins, so I expect Fitz to return. Go with Savage, and I suspect the players will think the team is tanking the season. Could turn the locker room on O'Brien.
That said, I am not the new coach, and I am very curious to see Savage in action. Just guessing it won't happen as long as Fitz is healthy.
nunusguy
11-24-2014, 07:35 AM
O'Brien has already won more than twice as many games as last years team did, besides this whole season is a mulligan for O'brien. The pressure for him to rack up wins doesn't really begin until next year. I think he'd be foolish to waste this opportunity to see what he's got in Savage. At this point what's the upside in winning with Fitz ? I don't see one ?
Division competitor Tennessee has for several games now been starting its 6th round QB from the 2014 Draft, can't O'Brien start his rookie 4th round Draft pick @ QB ? This is the perfect opportunity, probably the only opportunity he'll get to find out what if anything he's got in Savage (and Mallett when and if healthy) and what he might need to do @ QB in the upcoming off seasons free agency and/or Draft.
I think there's no chance we see Savage. This is his "redshirt" year.....
It's gonna be Fitz till Mallett is over his injury. I really wanted to see Mallet the rest of the year to get an evaluation. So far, all we have is the Cleveland game (good!) and the Cincinnati game (bad!). I don't think he's as bad as what we saw yesterday..... probably some (most?) of it due to the injury.
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Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Texans as a whopping 7 pt favorite over the Titans.
HPF Bob
11-24-2014, 12:05 PM
I thought Mallett looked good in that drive before the half that ended in the FG. He had good zip on his passes, including the one that Hopkins had to grab. Where I think the injury may have hurt was in the follow through which can make passes sail if your release point is too soon.
Warren
11-24-2014, 12:07 PM
As long as either Fitzpatrick or Mallett is healthy, I don’t think Savage will play (outside of garbage time) until the Texans have been mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, and probably not unless they have no chance of finishing with at least a .500 record. O'Brien doesn't need to win from a job security standpoint but he is trying to establish a winning culture.
popanot
11-24-2014, 12:16 PM
Mallett done for season and likely the Texans...
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@McClain_on_NFL Just left Texans dressing room and I'm told Mallett is out for rest of season.
nunusguy
11-24-2014, 12:32 PM
Mallett done for season and likely the Texans...
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@McClain_on_NFL Just left Texans dressing room and I'm told Mallett is out for rest of season.
Gotta feel bad for Mallett. This was his big chance to shine and now this injury.
So what do you do if you are O'brien re Mallett ? It's now clear yesterdays drop off in performance was related to Malletts injury, so how do the Texans evaluate Malletts long-tern potential and therefor contract value based on his performance in a single game ?
popanot
11-24-2014, 12:50 PM
Gotta feel bad for Mallett. This was his big chance to shine and now this injury.
So what do you do if you are O'brien re Mallett ? It's now clear yesterdays drop off in performance was related to Malletts injury, so how do the Texans evaluate Malletts long-tern potential and therefor contract value based on his performance in a single game ?Not sure how much he's making or what someone else would offer him, but I'd offer the same contract they gave Fitzy. 2yrs, ~$8MM or so.
barrett
11-24-2014, 05:24 PM
I wouldn't expect Savage until week 16 or 17.
I would let the market set Mallett's price and then decide. I don't think there will be too many suitors. He is not a guy any team is going to invest in as a QB of the future. And he doesn't have the experience to be a veteran backup on a team with a young QB. So that means he's likely limited to the handful of teams with established and rarely injured QBs, and probably less than Fitz got from us. I have got to believe he'd come back here cheap if we offered him a chance to compete for the job (more than he'll get elsewhere).
So I guess that means Fitzpatrick and official lame duck status for the Texans 2014 season.
@RapSheet: #Texans didn’t find out if Ryan Mallett is their franchise QB. But they told him today they want him back for 2015
@RapSheet: Likely scenario for #Texans QB Ryan Mallett: A short-term contract extension, while the #Texans bring in a young QB to compete with him.
HPF Bob
11-24-2014, 08:01 PM
O'Brien wants a second opinion. Mallett may not be done this year after all.
Personally, I'd give him an incentive-heavy contract and say he's the starter coming into camp. I'm not sure he does any better on the open market.
O'Brien wants a second opinion. Mallett may not be done this year after all.
Personally, I'd give him an incentive-heavy contract and say he's the starter coming into camp. I'm not sure he does any better on the open market.
I bet you were right. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. Sucks for the kid just getting his shot.
@PatDStat: #Texans make is official with the signing of Thad Lewis and placing Ryan Mallett on the IR.
So, if the rumors are true and the Texans want him (Mallett) back and he wants to come back, then I expect them to make him a deal post-season (R Smith doesn't do contracts during the season so the axiom goes). Some suggest him getting a reasonable (if not bargain) 2 year deal and that would make sense: Show us you're healed and can lead a team and we'll rework it ASAP....
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