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painekiller
08-30-2008, 10:20 PM
I only saw a few moments of the game but East Carolina linebacker Quentin Cotton had an INT and just missed a 2nd one to seal the game.
It was odd watching Michgan without Henne.
Also Maryland has a couple stud RBs, and thier OL looked very solid.
PK, do you feel as I do, that we are a little unfulfilled going into this NFL season. Wish there was another Draft coming up we could delve into (I mean this year!).
painekiller
09-02-2008, 11:44 AM
PK, do you feel as I do, that we are a little unfulfilled going into this NFL season. Wish there was another Draft coming up we could delve into (I mean this year!).
Yes I do think we have a some more holes to fill, but I knew that going into the draft last year.
I am upset with the drafting of the QB in the 7th and the passing on Aldridge. No he was not the answer but he could have been a piece of the puzzle, which the cut QB is not going to be.
We need to try to gather as many picks as we can for next year, which currently is not as deep as the last one.
BigBull
09-02-2008, 07:54 PM
[QUOTE=painekiller;3021]I am upset with the drafting of the QB in the 7th and the passing on Aldridge. No he was not the answer but he could have been a piece of the puzzle, which the cut QB is not going to be. QUOTE]
I'm a little upset also, but not sure Aldridge would see the field. I think Slaton and Taylor would be ahead of him on the depth chart.
painekiller
09-02-2008, 09:55 PM
[QUOTE=painekiller;3021]I am upset with the drafting of the QB in the 7th and the passing on Aldridge. No he was not the answer but he could have been a piece of the puzzle, which the cut QB is not going to be. QUOTE]
I'm a little upset also, but not sure Aldridge would see the field. I think Slaton and Taylor would be ahead of him on the depth chart.
He would be an upgrade to Walker. He might have made the team and been in the mix to get carries when Green went down. That is more than we will get from the cut QB.
what about getting a DE in the 7th? i was more than a little surprised it wasn't that or an OLB instead of brink. tommy blake is the only name i can remember now but it's not like QB was a pressing issue.
painekiller
09-03-2008, 09:26 PM
what about getting a DE in the 7th? i was more than a little surprised it wasn't that or an OLB instead of brink. tommy blake is the only name i can remember now but it's not like QB was a pressing issue.
Seeing that Blake has not been signed by anyone tells me he is not ready. I would take a shot on him, give him the work he needs, IR him and let see what we have next season.
well, blake was the only one i could still remember being around in the 7th.
but regardless of who, at least take positions that are filling needs. we have a great backup QB already...unless sage thinks he's actually going to start anywhere next year...
The thing I am upset about is not so much the Draft, as we signed a big free agent DE in Colvin, and then he didn't work out! I thought with his signing we had closed the biggest hole left when we didn't go for a DE somewhere in the Draft. Now we are back where we were. Does Kubiak and Richard Smith think we have someone already on the roster that is going to step up and deliver that passrush we are (have been) lacking? They will have to show me.
papabear
09-05-2008, 12:12 PM
The thing I am upset about is not so much the Draft, as we signed a big free agent DE in Colvin, and then he didn't work out! I thought with his signing we had closed the biggest hole left when we didn't go for a DE somewhere in the Draft. Now we are back where we were. Does Kubiak and Richard Smith think we have someone already on the roster that is going to step up and deliver that passrush we are (have been) lacking? They will have to show me.
What if we didn't take Brown? Then we're going into the season with a gimpy Salaam and....not much else IMO. Molden and Slaton both look like they are going to help fill some holes. Sure they could have gone DE instead of some of the later round picks they did take, but there has to be somewhere there they like better than who we took, and the chances of Colvin working out were probably better than any late round pick we could have taken. They tried several different people out at DE. None of them worked out. It's not like they ignored it.
Just drafting a position doesn't solve the problem. If the last draft class lives up to their potential then we'll have a lot less holes to fill.
Yes, I know Pappabear, and I have been thinking along those lines. With the problems we have been having at RB, the thought also occurs to me that we let Mendenhall slide. We will shortly find out if that was a mistake or not.
While I understand that we didn't have a net big enough to get all the help we needed, I am a little dissapointed that we didn't get at least one or two more big fish. And the Colvin fiasco was just one of them.
Nconroe
09-07-2008, 10:15 AM
What do ya'll think about DeMarco Murry, sophomore RB at OU, looked pretty strong in the part of game i watched yesterday, does he come out this year or play another year or two before coming out.
What about the Defensive Coordinator for the Hurricanes?
LMAO, think they would trade straight up for Richard Smith?
painekiller
09-08-2008, 08:27 PM
Back on track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-PT_waY8k
moreno was slicin' kids up!!! that hurdle move looks dangerous though...if he gets hit the chances of having children are severely limited
painekiller
09-13-2008, 02:38 PM
want to add a RB from Iowa, Green. He is a bowling ball type runner. Has some wiggle along with inside power. Not sure of his speed.
Another guy I like is the TE from Mizzou. He is a receiver type, but what a receiver.
Rum Runner
09-13-2008, 06:30 PM
I'll have my eye on Mays for USC tonight... I actually heard a comparison to Ronnie Lott; now that some praise. I haven't seen the kid but he's got good measurables (6'3" 225), don't know about his speed though. He's described as "athletic" so I'd hope he has some speed. I also think he's a Junior.
I think we need a safety but I wouldn't look in the first round for one unless they were exceptionally better than the norm. I'd like to see if this guy fits that description.
painekiller
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
I'll have my eye on Mays for USC tonight... I actually heard a comparison to Ronnie Lott; now that some praise. I haven't seen the kid but he's got good measurables (6'3" 225), don't know about his speed though. He's described as "athletic" so I'd hope he has some speed. I also think he's a Junior.
I think we need a safety but I wouldn't look in the first round for one unless they were exceptionally better than the norm. I'd like to see if this guy fits that description.
Mays is projected by some to be a high 1st rounder, he and Moore are the preseason top safeties.
jppaul
09-17-2008, 06:43 PM
From ECU Dwayne Harris really stands out at WR. Great burst and moves.
Roy P
09-22-2008, 10:38 AM
I'd like to add a couple more names to the list here. The game against the Titans was bad yesterday.
http://wisconsin.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=51188#videos
OG - Andy Kemp: Wisconsin
http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/walker_derek00.html
DE - Derek Walker: Illinois
http://www.scarletknights.com/football/roster/roster-detail.asp?ID=3970
S - Courtney Greene: Rutgers
http://wakeforestsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/curry_aaron00.html
LB - Aaron Curry: Wake Forest
https://admin.xosn.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46371&SPID=4199&DB_OEM_ID=10500&ATCLID=344614
QB - Dan LeFevour: Central Michigan
painekiller
09-23-2008, 12:26 AM
Add Mark Sanchez to my list.
I am looking for a QB in rounds 3 -5 next season.
This team is going to struggle to get to 7 wins, my before the season prediction, the schedule and then the changed schedule will make it hard for this team to get it's feet under it.
Roy P
09-23-2008, 12:48 PM
Just curious if anybody would feel happy about drafting Chase Daniel in the 4th or 5th round. He could pass to Owen Daniel and have national guys saying Daniels to Daniels.
papabear
09-23-2008, 01:18 PM
Just curious if anybody would feel happy about drafting Chase Daniel in the 4th or 5th round. He could pass to Owen Daniel and have national guys saying Daniels to Daniels.
I've always liked Double D's :p.
His height will probably keep him around until the later rounds too. How will his experience with Mizzou's spread translate....who cares. DD's are almost always worth it.
painekiller
09-24-2008, 12:11 AM
My top guys right now are Rey Maualaga, size speed, would upgrade two positions by allowing Ryans to be on the outside where he could be used better. Maualaga loves to deliver the big blow and we have not had that inside imtimadated. (This is not a knock on Ryans)
All these guys upgrade our guys.
Taylor Mays, USC Height: 6'4 - Weight: 225
Myron Rolle, Florida State Height: 6'2 - Weight: 215
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech Height: 6'3 - Weight: 220
William Moore, Missouri Height: 6'1 - Weight: 215
Kevin Ellison, USC Height: 6'1 - Weight: 220
Top DE I am watching Greg Middleton, Indiana Height: 6'3 - Weight: 275
Let's see if I've got it right, in no particular order: Will/Mike LB, another RB, a QB, an OG (r or l ?), TE big, good receiving one, oh yeah, my favorite, a big speed rushing RDE, and just for luck, an OC to replace Meyers.
While I'm talking about it, I want a DC who can call a good defensive game plan, unlike Richard Smith.
Anything I've left off?
As always, we need to run the heck out of the ball, and stop the run (for a change!).
Let's see if I've got it right, in no particular order: Will/Mike LB, another RB, a QB, an OG (r or l ?), TE big, good receiving one, oh yeah, my favorite, a big speed rushing RDE, and just for luck, an OC to replace Meyers.
While I'm talking about it, I want a DC who can call a good defensive game plan, unlike Richard Smith.
Anything I've left off?
I like where you are going.... although its hard to not find a hole. And I was very serious when I mentioned the defensive coordinator for the Hurricanes earlier in this thread. He has a solid track record.... Kansas last year, USC before that and I believe OU before that. He was a big hire by Miami this year.
As for the team, they have NO identity, whatsoever. Personally speaking, I would start on the defensive side with Maualuga in round one, then try to find some more intimidating players to go along with him to add to Mario.
I can't argue with your first round choice, and with the way we are playing, we might just have the top 5 draft choice it would take to get him. Either Maualaga or Laurinatis would be fine with me, moving DeMeco out to the Will.
painekiller
09-25-2008, 03:25 PM
I can't argue with your first round choice, and with the way we are playing, we might just have the top 5 draft choice it would take to get him. Either Maualaga or Laurinatis would be fine with me, moving DeMeco out to the Will.
The reason I like Rey Rey is because of the 'tude he would bring with him. He is brash and we have not had that here. Laurinatis is not a brash type player, solid but not what I am looking for. I truly believe we need a young brash leader.
mussop
09-26-2008, 01:11 AM
After watching USC get wooped by Oregan State I have officially put Clay Mathews on my watch list. For thise of you who dont know he is the son of former NFL (Cleveland Browns) linebacker Clay Mathews and nephew of Bruce Mathews former Houston Oilere Lineman. Clay Mathews Sr was one of the best to ever play. But that has nothing to do with why i'll be watching him. He was all over the field and made several big plays, even blocked a field goal.
The upcomeing game Georgia vs Alabama has 2 players I havent got to see yet but really want to watch.
Alabama junior DT Terrence ’Mount’ Cody (#62, 6-4, 365), a mountainous - he’s listed at 365 but could actually weigh as much as 385 pounds - junior college transfer who has been almost unblockable through the early part of the season.
http://www.gbnreport.com/gameoftheweek.htm
And of course RB Moreno of Georgia.
painekiller
09-26-2008, 11:09 AM
The reason I like Rey Rey is because of the 'tude he would bring with him. He is brash and we have not had that here. Laurinatis is not a brash type player, solid but not what I am looking for. I truly believe we need a young brash leader.
I did not see much 'tude last night from him or any of the other guys on SC. But one game will not drop him a long way, he is still the top of the watch list.
How bad is the injury to Taylor Mays? Bad enough he drops to the 2nd?
The reason I like Rey Rey is because of the 'tude he would bring with him. He is brash and we have not had that here. Laurinatis is not a brash type player, solid but not what I am looking for. I truly believe we need a young brash leader.
Hey bro, you are definitely preaching to the Choir on this one. I think Rey Rey (much easier than saying his last name) would help this defense immensely. But I still want that passrushing DE too.
But on second thought that 'Tude might just land him in hot water. Isn't Rey under indictment or something?
painekiller
10-06-2008, 04:46 PM
But on second thought that 'Tude might just land him in hot water. Isn't Rey under indictment or something?
Rey Rey is showing signs that he has anger issues. A lot of the hits in the youtube video would be considered fineable hits in the NFL. Willis never had this kind of track record, and Rey Rey is making me think he using enhancements. No proof, just a hunch.
BTW the arrest is from a few years back, and it appears to be an isolated action. He does play out of control, and that is starting to concern me about him.
mussop
10-06-2008, 04:57 PM
Anyone watched this guy lately?
Donald Brown Running back Connecticut Huskies Height: 5-10 Weight: 208
He really impressed me against a tough NC defense.
mussop
10-06-2008, 04:58 PM
Rey Rey is showing signs that he has anger issues. A lot of the hits in the youtube video would be considered fineable hits in the NFL. Willis never had this kind of track record, and Rey Rey is making me think he using enhancements. No proof, just a hunch.
BTW the arrest is from a few years back, and it appears to be an isolated action. He does play out of control, and that is starting to concern me about him.
Our defens could use some players with anger issues IMO.
painekiller
10-06-2008, 09:04 PM
Anyone watched this guy lately?
Donald Brown Running back Connecticut Huskies Height: 5-10 Weight: 208
He really impressed me against a tough NC defense.
Saw him in 2 games now, and he is looking like a nice 3rd round back. He has speed, doesn't seem to go down on first contact and can catch the ball.
mussop
10-07-2008, 02:48 AM
Saw him in 2 games now, and he is looking like a nice 3rd round back. He has speed, doesn't seem to go down on first contact and can catch the ball.
Exactly were I got him pegged, well 3rd to 4th round. I hope to get to see him again.
So far he as rushed for 1067 yards in 179 attemps and for 12 TD's with a 6.0 yard per carrie.
Check out his stats. link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174065)
Rey Rey is showing signs that he has anger issues. A lot of the hits in the youtube video would be considered fineable hits in the NFL. Willis never had this kind of track record, and Rey Rey is making me think he using enhancements. No proof, just a hunch.
BTW the arrest is from a few years back, and it appears to be an isolated action. He does play out of control, and that is starting to concern me about him.
That is exactly why I have more or less moved on to Laurinaitis as the best bet at ILB. Way it is looking now we may have a top 10 pick again. (I hope not.)
Our defens could use some players with anger issues IMO.
Yeah, but not "anger" that gets the team penalties and leads to fines, IMO. If Rey Rey can channel his anger into constructive paths, then OK.
James Laurainitis might be the better of the two for our type defense anyway. Let someone else deal with Rey Rey's anger problems. Rey Rey is also in alcohol anonimous I hear.
painekiller
12-29-2008, 08:01 PM
Anyone catch the kid Tyrell Sutton Northwestern RB against Missouri ?
It's going on right now and he would be a great 2nd day RB.
painekiller
12-29-2008, 11:51 PM
OK let's talk about William Moore. Was Mizzou running a 4-2-3 or was Moore just moved to the nickle most of the game?
I had a hard time finding him and on TV it hard to concentrate on a safety, so I maybe way off base. But I have dropped him from my 1st round rating. He will have to have big Senior Bowl and Combine for me.
Mizzou has some talent worth drafting Sam Weatherspoon 6-1 235 LB plays the middle for them could be a WILL, the boy plays behind the line scrimmage, I like that, oh and he can cover the pass.
Ziggy Hood is a stud, but he is listed as only 293, I like a NT to a little larger, so not on my list. We do not need another under tackle.
Stryker Sulak is another tweener DE/OLB type. The boy sure brought it tonight. If he drops at all might be the rush DE the team needs.
papabear
12-30-2008, 09:10 AM
OK let's talk about William Moore. Was Mizzou running a 4-2-3 or was Moore just moved to the nickle most of the game?
I had a hard time finding him and on TV it hard to concentrate on a safety, so I maybe way off base. But I have dropped him from my 1st round rating. He will have to have big Senior Bowl and Combine for me.
I've only watched Mizzou a few times this year, once in person, and he didn't meet my expectations. I thought he looked pretty good aganist Illionois (I think it was that game), but bad when I saw him live against Texas.
That doesn't mean he would be a bad pick though. I had pretty high expectations of him that probably caused me to lower my level of enthusiasm for him when he didn't live up to my probably unrealistic expectations.
painekiller
12-30-2008, 10:54 AM
I've only watched Mizzou a few times this year, once in person, and he didn't meet my expectations. I thought he looked pretty good aganist Illionois (I think it was that game), but bad when I saw him live against Texas.
That doesn't mean he would be a bad pick though. I had pretty high expectations of him that probably caused me to lower my level of enthusiasm for him when he didn't live up to my probably unrealistic expectations.
Late in the broadcast they said Moore had hurt is ankle and his ribs and missed 4 games this season. That could explain a lot of his play this year, drop baby drop.
papabear
12-30-2008, 01:55 PM
Late in the broadcast they said Moore had hurt is ankle and his ribs and missed 4 games this season. That could explain a lot of his play this year, drop baby drop.
I like the guys that drop between now and the combine. I would still be thrilled to get Moore, and think he can be a good NFL safety. I'm just not sure that he warrants the early season hype any more....but most of them don't. I also like guys like Demeco who "drop" because they ran 1/10 of a second slower than teams hoped or we're a half inch shorter and a little lighter than the prototype. I know that might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but if a guy is good football player he doesn't HAVE to have prototypical measurements.
Moore played man up on the slot receiver quite a bit. I was a little underwhelmed when he got badly beat on an in and up (resulted in a TD for Northwestern). But I didn't get to see the whole game.
Roy P
12-30-2008, 06:36 PM
Late in the broadcast they said Moore had hurt is ankle and his ribs and missed 4 games this season. That could explain a lot of his play this year, drop baby drop.
Yep, he played much more tentatively this season compared to when I saw him his Junior year. I wasn't sure if he was "saving himself" for the next level, playing hurt at 75%, or if his injuries simply made him play softer.
The bowl game didn't help his stock much. He was burnt for a TD while playing Man Coverage against a 5 wide set, he fell down. A big fumble that he created was nullified for being offsides before the snap. There were not many opportunities for him to play as a "single high" safety or even a deep cover-2. He did get an INT at the end of the game, though, I believe. As did Courtney Greene for Rutgers.
I must say that Sean Weatherspoon and Jeremy Maclin looked very impressive last night. Also, could we have two undertackles? Maybe Ziggy could replace Zgonina.
OK, if Moore drops to the 2nd., I would like us to maybe consider DT/NT B.J. Raji with our 1st.
OSU MLB Laurainitis looked good in the Fiesta Bowl last night, as did UT's Quan Cosby. Beanie Wells looks to be hurt too much.
idymoe
01-07-2009, 11:55 AM
In LZ's blog today, he mentions that Orakpo does not excel against the run and some insiders are saying that he will last into the low 20's in the draft. Most of the time during the Fiesta Bowl, I couldn't find Orakpo. He did have the big sack in the 4th quarter.
If Orakpo is there at 15, will the Texans hesitate to take him? It's funny how your wants can change on a guy who you think is unavailable to being taken 5-8 spots lower than your pick. It remains to be seen, of course, where he goes. I would still think he will go before our pick if he does well at the combine.
papabear
01-07-2009, 12:08 PM
In LZ's blog today, he mentions that Orakpo does not excel against the run and some insiders are saying that he will last into the low 20's in the draft. Most of the time during the Fiesta Bowl, I couldn't find Orakpo. He did have the big sack in the 4th quarter.
If Orakpo is there at 15, will the Texans hesitate to take him? It's funny how your wants can change on a guy who you think is unavailable to being taken 5-8 spots lower than your pick. It remains to be seen, of course, where he goes. I would still think he will go before our pick if he does well at the combine.
My concern with Orakpo is that I think he's going to be primarily an edge rusher at the next level. We need that, but I would worry about him against the run. If we were solid against the run up the middle I would be fine with it...especially since Mario does a good job on the run. I don't know that Orakpo can't play the run in the NFL, but I would be concerned about taking a one trick pony that high.
I could definitely see a 3-4 team take him an make him an OLB.
barrett
01-07-2009, 12:53 PM
My concern with Orakpo is that I think he's going to be primarily an edge rusher at the next level. We need that, but I would worry about him against the run. If we were solid against the run up the middle I would be fine with it...especially since Mario does a good job on the run. I don't know that Orakpo can't play the run in the NFL, but I would be concerned about taking a one trick pony that high.
I could definitely see a 3-4 team take him an make him an OLB.
I think that is his best fit. I think he will be a mid to high 1st round pick, but it likely won't be by a team looking for a DE. The one skill he possesses (edge rusher) is so highly valued he will be an impact player, but I think its better utilized as a 3-4 OLB (and the weaknesses are less relevant).
Roy P
01-07-2009, 02:06 PM
I don't know that Orakpo can't play the run in the NFL, but I would be concerned about taking a one trick pony that high.
I could definitely see a 3-4 team take him an make him an OLB.
He looks similar to Mark Anderson of the Bears. He is basically the 3rd down pass-rusher to spell Alex Brown. Oh, he was drafted in the 4th round too.
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