Official 2010 NFL Draft Round 4, 5, 6 & 7 Thread

[painekiller]

We have picks:
4th round 4th (102)
4th round 20th (118)
5th round 13th (144)
6th round 18th (187)
6th round 28th (197)
7th round 20th (227)

Guy I like still available: ***Guys I don't expect but would not mind
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB/FS Indiana, Pennsylvania
Marshall Newhouse OG TCU
Matt Tennant OG Boston College
Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
*** Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma
Cam Thomas DT North Carolina
Reshad Jones FS Georgia
Geno Atkins DT eorgia
*** John Skelton QB Fordham
Robert Johnson FS Utah
***Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
Shelley Smith OG Colorado State
Jeff Byers OG USC
***Jameson Konz FB Kent State
***Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech

Why I think they don't go with another CB. Jackson and Quin start, McCain, Molden, Reeves and Bennett are all fighting for playing time. Might want to take a late round guy that could be a PS guy or push one of the underachievers off the roster, how many CB did we carry last season?

Why I think they don't go with another RB. Tate, Slaton, Foster, are the front runners, Moats, Jeremiah Johnson, Chris Henry are fighting hard for a job, Johnson looks to be PS guy. They will only start the year with 3 RB on the roster IMO.

Not many OG/C types out there now, but Rick Smith has been doing an excellent job of playing the board, so I am not counting them out of missing one.

Lastly McClain said today he did not think Kevin Matthews would want to be here nor would Bruce want him here, so that most likely means he is here. If we do not sign him as a UDFA ( or he is drafted by someone) he will probably go to Tennessee and play for Munchak.

[Roy P]

We have picks:
4th round 4th (102)
4th round 20th (118)
5th round 13th (144)
6th round 18th (187)
6th round 28th (197)
7th round 20th (227)

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Ok, Everson Griffen wasn't on my draft board because I expected he'd be overdrafted.....At #102, I just can't pass on him. So, I'm putting him as one of "My Guys" now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzSE9q0R3k

DE Everson Griffen 6'4" 273 4.65 USC
RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.32 North Carolina
S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
FS Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois
OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
CB Walter McFadden 5'11" 181 4.40 Auburn

[Arky]

Why I think they don't go with another CB. Jackson and Quin start, McCain, Molden, Reeves and Bennett are all fighting for playing time. Might want to take a late round guy that could be a PS guy or push one of the underachievers off the roster, how many CB did we carry last season?

Why I think they don't go with another RB. Tate, Slaton, Foster, are the front runners, Moats, Jeremiah Johnson, Chris Henry are fighting hard for a job, Johnson looks to be PS guy. They will only start the year with 3 RB on the roster IMO.

Not many OG/C types out there now.........

I think you're right on in your assessment of the CB & RB situation.... Just a bunch of talent and potential but the underlying theme is "youth"... (of course, they will probably pick one more of each :p)

I think they got to "find" something for the interior OL. I mean, Studdard/Myers/Brisiel/Caldwell? You comfortable with that? I'm not. Would at least like to see them hit on a couple of those, perhaps one dedicated center and a guard as insurance against the injury bug... If they don't make the squad stick 'em on the PS...

[painekiller]

I think you're right on in your assessment of the CB & RB situation.... Just a bunch of talent and potential but the underlying theme is "youth"... (of course, they will probably pick one more of each :p)

I think they got to "find" something for the interior OL. I mean, Studdard/Myers/Brisiel/Caldwell? You comfortable with that? I'm not. Would at least like to see them hit on a couple of those, perhaps one dedicated center and a guard as insurance against the injury bug... If they don't make the squad stick 'em on the PS...

Most of the guys I had targeted for the OL have gone.

Here is the list of OL guys from nfl.com that are available

Name Pos Ht Wt College Grade*Fan Pick* Watch
Campbell, Bruce OT 6'6" 314 Maryland 7.8 23
Capers, Selvish OT 6'4" 308 West Virginia 6.7 --
Ulatoski, Adam OT 6'5" 300 Texas 5.9 --
Washington, TonyOT 6'6" 311 Abilene Christian 5.6 -
Scott, Chris OT 6'4" 319 Tennessee 5.5 --
Calloway, Kyle OT 6'6" 323 Iowa 5.4 --
Young, Sam OT 6'8" 316 Notre Dame 4.7 --
Fox, Jason OT 6'7" 303 Miami 4.6 --
Smith, Shelley OG 6'3" 300 Colorado State 4.4 --
Black, Ciron OT 6'4" 327 LSU 4.0 --
Wang, Ed OT 6'5" 314 Virginia Tech 3.7 --
Carter, Brandon OG 6'6" 329 Texas Tech 3.6 --
Richardson, Dace OG 6'5" 320 Iowa 3.4 --
Olsen, Eric C 6'4" 306 Notre Dame 2.9 --
Petrus, Mitch OG 6'3" 310 Arkansas 2.9 --
Pemberton, Cole OT 6'7" 315 Colorado State 2.8 --
Haslam, Kevin OT 6'5" 304 Rutgers 2.7 --
Brooks, Dorian OG 6'2" 306 James Madison 2.6 --
Tepper, Mike OT 6'5" 324 California 2.6 --
Render, Sergio G 6'3" 311 Virginia Tech 2.5 --
Tennant, Matt C 6'5" 300 Boston College 2.4 --
Kopa, Matt OT -- -- Stanford 2.2 --
Byers, Jeff C 6'3" 301 Southern Cal 2.1 --
Gregory, Kurtis OG 6'4" 305 Missouri 2.1 --
Jolly, Kyle OT 6'6" 311 North Carolina 2.1 --
Cook, Erik C 6'6" 318 New Mexico 2.0 --
Degeare, Chris OT 6'4" 325 Wake Forest 2.0 --
Harewood, Ramon OT 6'7" 360 Morehouse 2.0 --
Hawley, Joe OG 6'3" 297 UNLV 2.0 --
Newhouse, MarshallOT 6'4" 319 TCU 2.0 --
Parsons, Alex OG 6'4" 309 Southern Cal 2.0 --
Richmond, Nic OT 6'8" 309 TCU 2.0 --


Guys in bold I would not complain if they drafted one or two of them.

[painekiller]

I would not mind Kam Chancellor, Dominique Franks, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Donovan Warren, Cam Thomas, Vince Oghobaase, or John Skelton.

There I have now jinxed all these guys for us.

[Roy P]

Most of the guys I had targeted for the OL have gone.

Here is the list of OL guys from nfl.com that are available


Guys in bold I would not complain if they drafted one or two of them.

OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00
OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03
OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26
OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21

[Roy P]

Ok, Everson Griffen wasn't on my draft board because I expected he'd be overdrafted.....At #102, I just can't pass on him. So, I'm putting him as one of "My Guys" now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzSE9q0R3k

DE Everson Griffen 6'4" 273 4.65 USC


Drew at TheHuddleReport.com

STRENGTHS

Everson is a stand-up DE with excellent speed and change of direction skills to rush the passer. He is strong at the point of attack and does an excellent job using his hands to keep offensive lineman away from his body so that he can get off blocks and make tackles in the run defense. Everson is smart and understands his assignments; he looks to be very coachable along with being a good teammate. Teams using a 3-4 defense should be very interested in drafting Everson because in his college defense, Everson was used as both a down lineman and as a stand up rush the passer DE who played on either side of the defensive line.



NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Although Everson looks and plays at times like a linebacker, he was not used very much in pass coverage and did not do much dropping off the line into passing lanes. He will have to go to the combine and prove that he has those LB abilities if he wants to move up in this draft. From what I see on the field, I think he has those skills but he will have to slim down to see if he can gain some quickness. Everson is fast, but not quick. This means that as a DE in a 4-3, he will have to learn the tricks of the trade and will need good coaching to free him up to rush the passer.



BOTTOM LINE

Everson is a good solid player with excellent overall skills to play in different types of defensive systems. He just doesn't have that lightning quick burst that a true pass rusher needs to have to be the type of player offensive coordinators need to be aware of when game planning. Right now, Everson is an effort DE and if you make a mistake defending him, he will make you pay. He looks on film to be a quality type of kid that every defense needs to be successful. If you team him with the right players, this kid becomes a star. If you are expecting him to be your main man, that might be a mistake on your part. If you are a good coach, you can't lose drafting this kid in any round providing you have enough skill players around him. Personally, I think if he slims down (and this is not a knock on his weight, just an observation), he just might be a hell of a MLB in the right system. I think you have a lot of options with this kid and he could sneak into the first round if his workout numbers are outstanding. In my opinion, I think that he fits the New England Patriots' defensive system really well.

[Roy P]

There goes E.Griff to the Vikings to go along with Robison and Jared Allen.

[TexanJedi]

There goes Griffin to the Vikes.

[Roy P]

RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.32 North Carolina
S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
FS Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah


Do we take Dwyer? Didnt Bob McNair say he wanted 2 RB's? Perhaps we get Big Cam Thomas here to push the pocket. Stuckey is a Strong Safety that I like enough to try at FS. Can we afford to take Atkins after taking Mitchell? Chaney has speed to play the WILL. UGH!!! Can we trade down again?

[Nconroe]

we are on the clock. I think a guy for OL or safety, who knows.

[Keith]

LB Darryl Sharpton

undersized LB from Miami.

[Roy P]

Ok, If I had been running the draft all along, I'm taking Geno Atkins now after selecting Brandon Ghee earlier.

If Rick Smith had died last night and The Texans called me in to take over today, I'd just take Cam Thomas.

[Roy P]

LB Darryl Sharpton

undersized LB from Miami.

Underwhelmed with this pick. I think Chaney or Edds would have been better if we wanted a LB. The good thing is, he DOES know how to tackle.

[popanot]

Should be one hell of a ST player. Potential conversion to SS?? Gotta think either that or they think he can compete with Diles. Honestly, I don't get this pick considering there's still a few decent OL prospects oput there.

[Roy P]

The Titans selected Alterraun Verner at #104 :( I was hoping he'd last until our next pick.

[nunusguy]

Surely we're gonna take an OLineman with our second 4th round pick ?
And on the first 4th rounder, I'm puzzled myself ?

[TexanJedi]

The Titans selected Alterraun Verner at #104 :( I was hoping he'd last until our next pick.

Traded LenDale to do it.

[popanot]

LenWhale traded to Seattle. Seahawks are having a pretty nice draft.

[nunusguy]

Bruce Campbell was just picked - how many mocks actually had this guy in the first round ?

[Roy P]

The Bills selected my favorite "sleeper" WR Marcus Easely from UConn.

I wonder if the Texans will select Marshall Newhouse or Darrell Stuckey next. They are what I would consider 'tough and physical' players that we are supposedly looking for.

[popanot]

I guess Kubiak and Smith are completely satisfied with our OL. :confused:

Another TE, anyone?? :rolleyes:

[Roy P]

RB Jonathan Dwyer
DT Cam Thomas
CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
RB Anthony Dixon
S Darrell Stuckey
DT Geno Atkins
LB Jamar Chaney
OG Marshall Newhouse
LB AJ Edds
CB AJ Jefferson
FS Robert Johnson
RB Deji Karim
OG Shelley Smith
RB James Starks
LB Dekoda Watson
CB Walter McFadden
OC Eric Olsen
DE Corey Wooton
DE/LB Eric Norwood
DE/LB Ricky Sapp
CB Dom Franks
FS Reshad Jones
CB Perrish Cox

[TexanJedi]

I guess Kubiak and Smith are completely satisfied with our OL. :confused:

Another TE, anyone?? :rolleyes:

Maybe they are planning to bring Chester back.

[Roy P]

I wonder if the Texans will select Darrell Stuckey next.

Umm, I suppose not. The Chargers just got him at #110. :mad:

[popanot]

Maybe they are planning to bring Chester back.I just assumed that. Even still, we have areas that need improvement and depth.

[TexanJedi]

Umm, I suppose not. The Chargers just got him at #110. :mad:

Reshad Jones from Georgia is still on the board.

[Roy P]

Now we are getting into the 3 or 4 different scenarios.

20 DT Dan Williams
58 RB Ben Tate
81 FS Brandon Ghee
102 DT Geno Atkins

That's what I'd be sitting on with this next pick coming up. So, I'd be selecting CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah

We currently have
20 CB Kareem Jackson
58 RB Ben Tate
81 DT Earl Mitchell
102 LB Darryl Sharpton
So, now I'd still be looking to at Cam Thomas just like I was at 102. If I had taken Cam Thomas at 102, then now I'd be drafting OL Marshall Newhouse.

[popanot]

TE. You've got to be f'ing kidding me!!

[TexanJedi]

TE. You've got to be f'ing kidding me!!

Kubes loves his tight ends. However the Patriots took a pair. I wonder if this is Daniels insurance, in addtion to Casey. I think there were other "need" positions to take but what do I know?

[Keith]

TE. You've got to be f'ing kidding me!!
It's like the Texans warroom was Ocean's 11 yesterday and today they're Ocean's 12.

[Roy P]

Wow! Garrett Graham is another TE from Wisconsin. Does this mean that Owen Daniels isn't coming back from injury? Surprised that we didn't select Dorin Dickerson and his 4.42 speed at TE. Clay Harbor would have been the TE I'd have thought about, IF I wanted a TE.

[nunusguy]

Virtually same physical size and weight as OD, even went to his school.
I'm telling, OD is gonna live to regret not signing that new contract last year when he was healthy.
And yea, what on earth are they doing getting another TE, and with a 4th round pick no less ? Why not another RB, or Olineman, or Dlineman, or CB, or safety ?

[popanot]

However the Patriots took a pair. I wonder if this is Daniels insurance, in addtion to Casey. Yeah, but we took our pair last year. I have to think Daniels is a goner after this next year. The Texans apparently don't want to pay big $$ on TE... I mean, if you're going to take a smallish TE, why not Dickerson?? Graham wouldn't have been available in 5th, 6th, 7th, UFA?? I'm lost here...

[Roy P]

LB AJ Edds


The Big Tuna has taken another one of MY GUYS. It will be interesting to see Edds and Jerry in Miami.

[nunusguy]

The Texans apparently don't want to pay big $$ on TE.

And if you were willing to shell out big bucks (as the Texans reportedly were to OD a year ago), why do it now to a guy who's had 3 blown knees ?

[Roy P]

The Bengals STEAL Geno Atkins at #120. There must be some off-field issues that I'm not aware of, because this guy is a disrupting force.

The Falcons reached for Joe Hawley who was another ZBS-type OL.

[popanot]

There must be some off-field issues that I'm not aware of...Same with Dickerson. I have to believe he's (potentially) a much more explosive TE than Casey or Graham. :confused:

[nunusguy]

The Bengals STEAL Geno Atkins at #120. There must be some off-field issues that I'm not aware of, because this guy is a disrupting force.

Bengals = Atkins. Yep, there must be.

[kRocket]

The Texans draft has gone absolutely gone bonkers this morning. What is happening ?

[popanot]

Okay, I jokingly made the call on TE (and much to my obvious disappointment now). So here goes... My predictions for the 5th, 6th and 7th are:

5th - WR - Riley Cooper - We take our obligatory white-boy WR.
6th - QB - Plug in name here. He'll ride the PS for 1 or 2 years and be out of the league shortly thereafter.
7th - K - Brent Bowden - This actually makes more sense than their picks from RDs 3 and 4.

[Roy P]

So, does anybody believe that Jonathan Dwyer and Anthony Dixon were overrated by draft gurus and mock drafts?

[Roy P]

RB Jonathan Dwyer
DT Cam Thomas
CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
RB Anthony Dixon


The Cowboys just got the Akwasi Awusu-Ansah project at CB/FS. This means I'll get to see him every Sunday to see who good he 'could have been'
for the Texans.

[Keith]

So, does anybody believe that Jonathan Dwyer and Anthony Dixon were overrated by draft gurus and mock drafts?

Couch scouts are usually in the dark on actual medical and character issues teams identify which is often why some guys get drafted much lower than their highlight films show. Maybe that's what happened here, who knows.

[HPF Bob]

Beats me. I don't see need or value in either of these choices. As usual, we ignore the safety position.

[Roy P]

Couch scouts are usually in the dark on actual medical and character issues teams identify which is often why some guys get drafted much lower than their highlight films show. Maybe that's what happened here, who knows.

I think the main thing was that was ignored was the 4.64 and 4.69 at the Combine. Most mocks had already slated Dwyer as a 1st round pick based upon his yardage and Dixon was also rated highly because he did so well in the SEC. However, in the NFL a RB without breakaway speed isn't going to generate that much buzz and desire. I basically put both of these guys in the 4th/5th round expecting they wouldn't be there. I believe that James Starks from tiny Buffalo may get drafted first.

[Roy P]

We have the 13th pick in this round and Kam Chancellor just went to Seattle.

The 5th round is when I thought about taking Marshall Newhouse to play OG eventually. Cam Thomas is really a good value here. I wouldn't be dissapointed if we took FS Robert Johnson here, because I want a BallHawk.
That kid from Michigan Donovan Warren is a maybe? Would they like Myron Rolle?

Eric Olsen is strong and could maybe be better than Studdard at some point.

Meanwhile the Eagles are loading up on pass-rushers.

[popanot]

Who knows what they want? I'm starting to think they don't even know what they want. Quinn was a good pick, but has Smith made any other 2nd-Day picks that have panned out or even shown real promise? I have to say, I can't remember a 2nd-Day draft under Smith that hasn't left me baffled. Oh well...

[TexanJedi]

Brice McCain as a nickel/dime corner I guess. Barber has played some, but yeah I get your point.

[dalemurphy]

Who knows what they want? I'm starting to think they don't even know what they want. Quinn was a good pick, but has Smith made any other 2nd-Day picks that have panned out or even shown real promise? I have to say, I can't remember a 2nd-Day draft under Smith that hasn't left me baffled. Oh well...

Studdard,
F. Bennett
D. Barber
B. McCain
James Casey

all those have showed promise, at least.

[Joe Joe]

Who knows what they want? I'm starting to think they don't even know what they want. Quinn was a good pick, but has Smith made any other 2nd-Day picks that have panned out or even shown real promise? I have to say, I can't remember a 2nd-Day draft under Smith that hasn't left me baffled. Oh well...

Diles, Bennett, Studdard, Adibi, McCain, and Casey all look good enough to be on an NFL roster and contribute (some contribute poorly).

[Roy P]

At this point, I think I'm going to reach for MY FS Robert Johnson, because there isn't another one in the draft that I want.

[popanot]

OK... Diles and Quinn - and I'll give Casey a pass for another year. While some of the others have contributed, most have been benched and replaced at some point. They've found some role players and depth - which is OK, but I'd like to see a little higher percentage of 'hits' (or at least picks that make sense :p) over 3~4 drafts.

[dalemurphy]

OK... Diles and Quinn - and I'll give Casey a pass for another year. While some of the others have contributed, most have been benched and replaced at some point. They've found some role players and depth - which is OK, but I'd like to see a little higher percentage of 'hits' (or at least picks that make sense :p) over 3~4 drafts.

Well, it's been 3 drafts: and 2 started all season for a pretty good team last year: Studdard and Quin... Casey, Barber, McCain made significant contributions. They've been pretty good but not great on the last day of the draft.

[popanot]

Well one thing is for sure... We should have hella ST coverage this year. I guess if Jackson and Tate play a big role, and we get some decent production out of Mitchell, it will all be good.

[Keith]

CB Sherrick McManis

Northwestern, 3-yr starter

[Roy P]

Sherrick McManis over Donovan Warren (too slow) and AJ Jefferson (too raw). I just wish that we would have waited and gotten Crezdon Butler.

[Blitzwood]

So, does anybody believe that Jonathan Dwyer and Anthony Dixon were overrated by draft gurus and mock drafts?

I read a report that Dwyer tested positive for amphetamines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5111130).....??

On a side note, McFadden and P. Cox were just selected, narrowing down our options for a late round DB.

[Roy P]

Cam Thomas finally drafted. Not bad value.

[dalemurphy]

I read a report that Dwyer tested positive for amphetamines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5111130).....??

On a side note, McFadden and P. Cox were just selected, narrowing down our options for a late round DB.

Alex Henderson! (northern arizona)-- I would flip if we got him in round 6.

[TexanJedi]

Cam Thomas finally drafted. Not bad value.

Nearly a hundred picks after Cody, that's pretty good. I wonder if the Texans will take a fat guy, Jeff Owens is still there.

[nunusguy]

Jerry Jones is on NFL Net right now. Dang, that's odd, he acts sober and I don't think he's in a bar. I mean, quarter 'till noon, that's not too early for ole Jer to hit the beer-joints is it ?

[TexanJedi]

There goes Skelton to Arizona.

[Nconroe]

fwiw, on last three picks remaining, I guess OL, QB, FB , I'm pretty good with draft so far.

[popanot]

Dang, the Eagles just drafted my Kevin Walter replacement.

[Roy P]

FS Robert Johnson selected by the Titans after taking my CB Alterraun Verner. Steelers select CB Crezdon Butler (I had rated higher than McManis) :(
OG Marshall Newhouse selected by the Packers at #169.

[Roy P]

Ok, we have the 18th and 28th picks and I have no idea what we are doing or what we are looking at. These are the guys I'm keeping an eye on.

RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
S Myron Rolle 6' 2" 211 4.70 Florida St
CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 4.46 Louisville
RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois
LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State

[TexanJedi]

Niners take Dixon. They are going to run over some people.

[kRocket]

The Texans draft train has derailed.

[Roy P]

The Browns take WR Carlton Mitchell, now that was a value pick. Hmmm, if Jamar Chaney is still there at 187, I'd be leaning towards him for MY pick. Since the Texans already have Darryl Sharpton, they should probably take Eric Olsen.

The Browns have Jay Cutler and they take "My QB" Dan LeFevour.

Nevermind - The Broncos take Eric Olsen --RB Sleeper Favorite Deji Karim goes to the hated Jags--

At pick #187 I am selecting LB Jamar Chaney

[TexanJedi]

Here comes the Colorado State connection again, Shelley Smith G.

[Roy P]

Ok, we have the 18th and 28th picks and I have no idea what we are doing or what we are looking at. These are the guys I'm keeping an eye on.

RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
S Myron Rolle 6' 2" 211 4.70 Florida St
CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 4.46 Louisville
RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois
LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State

Well, at least they got a guy for the OL and he was one of My Guys.

[Arky]

Here comes the Colorado State connection again, Shelley Smith G.

All right! I guess Kubes just got back from lunch......;)

[nunusguy]

Hey wouldn't be a Kubiak Draft without atleast one CSU Ram.
I dunno, does he draft his own kid with one of our remaining picks,
we do need help at safety you know.

[TexanJedi]

Dwyer lands in Pittsburgh, in the 6th.

[painekiller]

Roy you and I finally got one of our guys. Smith from CSU.

[painekiller]

Lonyae Miller at 197?

[Nconroe]

Shelley Smith looks like good value here, 6'4", 300 lbs, athletic, and another team captain.

[Roy P]

Roy you and I finally got one of our guys. Smith from CSU.

:D

He is athletic and from Colorado. It was a ringer. I preferred Lauvao, but Smith had a better 10-yard split. I'm seeing a trend. They are the same "Athlete" = 4.9

Pos Name Height Weight School 40 Reps Vert 20 10 Jump 3-Cone Shuttle 40-Shuttle Explosion Quick Athlete Agility Quickness

OL Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 26 34 2.93 1.74 9.25 7.67 4.71 0.32 69.25 14.12 4.90 0.32 17.05
OL Shawn Lauvao 6'3" 315 5.22 33 26.5 3 1.8 8.42 7.56 4.51 0.71 67.92 13.87 4.90 0.71 16.87

[painekiller]

He looks like value here, 6'4", 300 lbs, athletic, and another team captain.

Shelly is a solid pick, he fits our system perfectly.

[popanot]

Man, Dorin Dickerson must really suck, is a real problem child, or got popped for drugs during the Combine.

[nunusguy]

Lauvao has already been drafted ?

[TexanJedi]

Lauvao has already been drafted ?

He went #92 to Cleveland.

[Roy P]

Ok, I couldn't get Daniel Te'o-Nesheim b/c Philly stole him. Then Everson Griffen was snatched up before we could get him in the 4th. So, I'm going off my draft board and taking a guy that I WANT. He is really a good value at #197.

DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 Connecticut 4.71 23 36.5 2.67 1.59 9.62 7.32 4.62 0.09 69.12 13.53 5.11 0.09 16.2

[TexanJedi]

Wow is that right, the Ravens just drafted a 360 pound offensive tackle?!:eek:

[Roy P]

Wow is that right, the Ravens just drafted a 360 pound offensive tackle?!:eek:

I thought Jared Gaither was the largest human being I had ever seen.

[Roy P]

Trindon Holliday. Does this mean that we are cutting ties with Jacoby Jones?

[TexanJedi]

Trindon Holliday. Does this mean that we are cutting ties with Jacoby Jones?

I think maybe they will use him at WR more, and let this waterbug return some kicks and punts. It should make the Special Teams better.

[nunusguy]

Trindon Holliday (born April 27, 1986) is a top-ranked American sprinter currently competing for Louisiana State University. He also plays running back and wide receiver for the LSU Tigers football team. He is regarded as one of the fastest players in football.[1]
He demonstrated his sprinting ability in the 100-meter dash at the 2007 USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships, where he recorded 10.07 seconds in the final – ahead of Walter Dix and second only to Tyson Gay.[2] This qualified him for the 2007 World Championships in Athletics but he opted to not compete, preferring to begin the football season with the LSU Tigers.[3] He continued to race, however, and reached the semi-finals in the 100 m at the 2008 United States Olympic Trials the following year.[4] During the 2010 NFL Combine, ESPN reported that he ran a 4.22, which would have beaten Chris Johnson's NFL record fastest time of 4.24. However, NFL.com said he did not break the records, listing Holliday's times at 4.27 and 4.32.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trindon_Holliday
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My guy is faster than your guy.
This is gonna be a fun pick to watch. I've seen this guy in big-time track meets. When they use the term "world-class sprinter", they mean that for real on this speed merchant.

[Arky]

Quick feet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psWYfO7rp9A

[Roy P]

We have one last pick, right? My last pick, if he's still there is a WR from Louisville.

WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 Louisville 4.46 20 41.5 2.58 1.49 10.25 6.45 4.09 0.37 71.75 12.03 5.96 0.37 14.61

[gunn]

This draft is the definition of why the texans are a mediocre football team that has no substantial identity. No sense of any real direction and in my opinion do a sub par job of identifying needs.

I absolutely hate the laissez faire attitude this team takes toward addressing the lines.

[dalemurphy]

This draft is the definition of why the texans are a mediocre football team that has no substantial identity. No sense of any real direction and in my opinion do a sub par job of identifying needs.

I absolutely hate the laissez faire attitude this team takes toward addressing the lines.

2006: Mario, Spencer, Winston
2007: Okoye, BFrye, Studdard
2008: DBrown, Okam
2009: Barwin, Caldwell
2010: Earl Mitchell, SSmith

okay so that's 3 1sts, 1 second, 4 3rds, 2 5th, 2 6ths

not to mention: trade for Chris Myers, signing of Antonio Smith, signing of Sean Cody, signing of Rashod Butler, signing of Wade Smith


I don't know about you, but it seems like they've been working at improving the lines to me.

[cland]

This draft is the definition of why the texans are a mediocre football team that has no substantial identity. No sense of any real direction and in my opinion do a sub par job of identifying needs.

I absolutely hate the laissez faire attitude this team takes toward addressing the lines.

I definitely don't agree. You look at how Smith maneuvered, and he covered every major need we had. CB, RB, DT, G and a free agent G... What did he miss? Also added more depth at TE, LB, CB, and found a kick returner that reminds me of JJ Moses...but faster and quicker.

All around great draft in my opinion.

[painekiller]

This draft is the definition of why the texans are a mediocre football team that has no substantial identity. No sense of any real direction and in my opinion do a sub par job of identifying needs.

I absolutely hate the laissez faire attitude this team takes toward addressing the lines.

I am so with you. We need to hire Gruden and draft OL OL DT DT way before you go with a ST guy from Miami, and then another ST guy from LSU. I like Holiday but that is a luxury and it points to Andre Davis being gone.

[painekiller]

Jeff Byers? Or Matthews?

[painekiller]

Or Lonyae Miller, or Warren is still on the board also.

[jcp]

This draft is the definition of why the texans are a mediocre football team that has no substantial identity. No sense of any real direction and in my opinion do a sub par job of identifying needs.

I absolutely hate the laissez faire attitude this team takes toward addressing the lines.

While I respect your concern about our lines I don't get your suggestion that we don't address the lines in the draft...you may not like the picks but 3 of the last 5 1st rnd picks were lineman...a 2nd last year and a 3rd this year...not to mention Winston was a 3rd too

I remember last year a lot of eye rolling when glover was selected and he turned out to be an excellent pick

same with od

Either way, they got their top rated cb and their top rated rb...inarguably their two biggest holes...then grabbed a dt they clearly think is better than we do

it's make or break this year for this administration so they better be right on these picks, we'll find out in a few months

[painekiller]

BTW anyone else notice that Jags took my favorite late round guy Deji Karim.

[painekiller]

Another TE Dorin Dickerson from Pitt

[painekiller]

Wtf? ????????????

[TexanJedi]

He must have been a guy they had rated as going a couple of rounds earlier. TE city.

[popanot]

Another TE Dorin Dickerson from PittUnbelievable!! Has more upside than Graham, IMO.

[painekiller]

They started off so well, then Jackson , Tate, Mitchell I can live with.

But then they take an ILB that is undersized, slow and can not cover. Then they take a H back type TE, then a nice pick, CB from Northwestern.

After that they took a solid OG who fits there system. A system that appears to be outdated with the influx of 3-4 NTs that can play.

Then we take a KR/PR so goodbye Andre Davis, Jacoby your on notice. And finally another Hback? I know we do not have any healthy TEs but you can get TE as UDFA all day long. Dickerson could be a matchup problem. But he is not a WR at all.

I will not question the talent of each player, I will how ever question the choice of positions that they took and where they took them. Marciano should not be allow in the draft room any more, they entire 3rd day other than Shelly, are ST only guys on this team.

[nunusguy]

ESPN is pumping up this TE we just took and show'd some tape, and the guy looks more like a WR than TE. And he is really fast.

[dalemurphy]

ESPN is pumping up this TE we just took and show'd some tape, and the guy looks more like a WR than TE. And he is really fast.

He may be able to play Rb in some single back sets... third down, for instance. Perhaps he can be a solid short yardage back in conjuction with being a significant pass catching threat out of the backfield. He is certainly a matchup issue for teams if he's lined up at FB/HB.

[nunusguy]

Dickerson could be a matchup problem. But he is not a WR at all.
Coach's quote: "He has some ability to do some things that normal 6-2, 235-pound tight ends can't do. I think he brings a lot of flexibility because of his 4.4, 4.5 speed (in the 40-yard dash) and his 350-pound bench press and his intelligence. When you put the package together, he can help a team win some games." —University of Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt

• Draft expert: "He possesses the vertical speed to stretch the seam and the athletic ability to mismatch linebackers on crossing routes. An exceptional combine performance and rare top-end speed will enhance his value but he is still raw as a route runner." — Nolan Nawrocki, Pro Football Weekly draft analyst
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-04-18-04-19-draft-gems-dorin-dickerson-torell-troup_N.htm
Sure about that ?

[TexanJedi]

Kubiak on the radio now is saying Dickerson's future is at WR.

[bono]

props to NFL Network for showing us some woman dozing off and monitoring her sleep state

[gunn]

They started off so well, then Jackson , Tate, Mitchell I can live with.

But then they take an ILB that is undersized, slow and can not cover. Then they take a H back type TE, then a nice pick, CB from Northwestern.

After that they took a solid OG who fits there system. A system that appears to be outdated with the influx of 3-4 NTs that can play.

Then we take a KR/PR so goodbye Andre Davis, Jacoby your on notice. And finally another Hback? I know we do not have any healthy TEs but you can get TE as UDFA all day long. Dickerson could be a matchup problem. But he is not a WR at all.

I will not question the talent of each player, I will how ever question the choice of positions that they took and where they took them. Marciano should not be allow in the draft room any more, they entire 3rd day other than Shelly, are ST only guys on this team.

I agree. Where is the direction? Everyone here can talk about how this team is addressing the line but I don't consider massive reaches and 5-6 rounders as "addressing the line". When you can't punch it in from the goal line and your running game gets stood up at the line of scrimmage... It's not your running backs fault. And drafting two tight ends every year is not going to solve any problems.

[bono]

I agree. Where is the direction? Everyone here can talk about how this team is addressing the line but I don't consider massive reaches and 5-6 rounders as "addressing the line". When you can't punch it in from the goal line and your running game gets stood up at the line of scrimmage... It's not your running backs fault. And drafting two tight ends every year is not going to solve any problems.

They've done alright. we got the big RB in Tate. Wade Smith can be LG, Caldwell at C and Brisel can be RG. if he's healthy, Chester Pitts still hasn't signed anywhere.

Holliday replaces Andre Davis which is fine by me. I thought Davis wasn't very good on kickoffs for most of the year

[nunusguy]

Kubiak on the radio now is saying Dickerson's future is at WR.

Just a one-year starter for the Panthers --- Named 1st Team All-Big East in 2009 --- Father, Randy, played basketball at Kansas State and Lock Haven --- Played wide receiver in 2006 and outside linebacker in 2007 before finally moving to tight end in 2008 --- Enjoyed a breakout senior campaign --- Has never been given the opportunity to master a single position --- Played wideout at the Senior Bowl --- Blew up at the Scouting Combine, pacing his position in just about every event highlighted by a 4.40 forty and an amazing 43½-inch vertical --- A bit of a One-Year Wonder and Workout Warrior --- A mismatch waiting to happen and in many ways a wideout in a tight end's body but the key will be finding ways to utilize his unique talents --- Intriguing prospect with some eye-popping physical tools and a lot of upside --- Best fit at the next level will likely come as an H-Back in the mold of Dustin Keller.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/TE/Dorin-Dickerson.php
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This guys a real freak, a real workour-warrior. NP, that's what 7th round Draft picks are for, drafting projects. Very intriguing prospect ?

[nunusguy]

props to NFL Network for showing us some woman dozing off and monitoring her sleep state

I thought NFL Network handed ESPN an azz-stopin on the Draft coverage.
I've watched them for maybe 90 % of the coverage.

[gunn]

They've done alright. we got the big RB in Tate. Wade Smith can be LG, Caldwell at C and Brisel can be RG. if he's healthy, Chester Pitts still hasn't signed anywhere.

Holliday replaces Andre Davis which is fine by me. I thought Davis wasn't very good on kickoffs for most of the year

Where is the identity of this team? That's why I struggle with this team. If it's marching up and down the field between the 20's... I get that... and I think they're doing a knockout job. But if it's putting the ball in the endzone and stopping the other team from the endzone inside the 20's then they're missing the boat.

When you watch this team there is zero push on either side of the ball.

[Arky]

I thought NFL Network handed ESPN an azz-stopin on the Draft coverage.
I've watched them for maybe 90 % of the coverage.

I agree. I got turned off very quickly by ESPN's player showcase by having them act goofy/mug for the camera/toss the football from hand to hand....

Actually, I ended up watching on NFLN and listening to 610. I found it the lesser of 3 evils...

Note: Kubes and McClain on 610 right now...

[Blitzwood]

I thought the Graham pick premature.we were set up nicely to make some moves in the 4th round with those 2 picks and they squandered it.

If they needed TE bodies to fill in for mini-camp, OTA’s and training camp they should have just signed some guys off the street.

I hope they try out McManis at FS, otherwise another wasted pick. Robert johnson and Reshad Jones were still available.

In the 6th Kub's selects Shelly Smith, who was a need pick, but I would have been hardpressed with Charles Scott AND Jonathan Dwyer for our bruiser, Moats and JJ would be gone...

I like the Holliday pick, ALOT, and thought D. Dickerson can be a nice backup WR, even a H-back.

[painekiller]

Coach's quote: "He has some ability to do some things that normal 6-2, 235-pound tight ends can't do. I think he brings a lot of flexibility because of his 4.4, 4.5 speed (in the 40-yard dash) and his 350-pound bench press and his intelligence. When you put the package together, he can help a team win some games." —University of Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt

• Draft expert: "He possesses the vertical speed to stretch the seam and the athletic ability to mismatch linebackers on crossing routes. An exceptional combine performance and rare top-end speed will enhance his value but he is still raw as a route runner." — Nolan Nawrocki, Pro Football Weekly draft analyst
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-04-18-04-19-draft-gems-dorin-dickerson-torell-troup_N.htm
Sure about that ?

At the senior bowl he moved outside and played WR. He was very over matched. The announcers all said it proved he need to stay at H=Back and go against FS LB types. He is a development type guy, he has not had a position long enough to learn how to excel to his measurables.

[Roy P]

Dorin Dickerson is a player who should be used like the Broncos used Shannon Sharpe. I realize that sounds like a unfair comparison, but that's how he can best impact. Essentially, he is our slot WR instead of David Anderson.

The question I had is our WR coach looking to work with this guy because the TE coach is overwhelmed? There are a lot of TEs to work with and in the draft. With the Spread Offense, this is a positon that is having more and more candidates. Jeron Mastrud and Colin Peek were undrafted, maybe we can sign them. I would have preferred Clay Harbor to Garrett Graham, but I suppose they have a history with Wisconsin TEs. I think Dennis Pitta is going to be a good pro too.

Anyway, Dickerson was ranked 104 overall by CBSDraftscout, so he was a bargain at 227.

[HPF Bob]

It seemed like the second day was mostly special teamers and guys with outstanding speed who are athletes more than football players.

And the Texans added a plump ESPN sideline chick. How's THAT for position depth?

[Roy P]

Dorin Dickerson is a player who should be used like the Broncos used Shannon Sharpe.
Anyway, Dickerson was ranked 104 overall by CBSDraftscout, so he was a bargain at 227.

Well, I heard Kubiak say that Dickerson is going to be a WR. That makes sense. I mean, it makes sense why he was picked in the 7th round. Apparently, everyone thought he was a liability as a TE because he is too small. Then, if you watched the Senior Bowl practices you saw that he was not a WR. Supposedly, Kubiak thinks that he can learn from Andre Johnson and become a player on the outside who can use his 4.5 speed and 43" vertical. I wish they would just get Scott Long who ONLY has a 41.5" Vertical, but at least he has some experience at the position. Anyway, this is a project.

I also heard that Sharpton is our WILL Competition/MIKE backup. You've got to be kidding me. Kevin Bentley has been put on notice. I just can't see how Sharpton makes the team.

Graham is the guy that they are happy about to play TE. With all the knee injuries, we just needed to have a guy that can play in case OD, Dreesen, and Casey are out of commission. I've said my piece about Pitta, so I'll just leave it alone.

Earl Mitchell is basically Zgonina's replacement. They are happy with Cody and to be honest, so am I. I just would have liked to have had Okam's replacement drafted.

McManis is a Corner. Rick is happy with Wilson/Pollard as the starting Safety combo. Rick likes what he sees from Barber. McManis will compete with the other CBs on the roster. This could be bad news for Molden as he's the guy with his foot out the door. Also, Nolan can't play FS if he's injured, so he has to show some durability.

Rick is happy with our OL. Butler as the swing Tackle and the addition of Wade Smith means the line is set. Shelley Smith is a OC/OG guy who will compete with Studdard and White. My stomach hurts. I hope they keep an eye out. I hear that Alan Faneca may be looking for a job. ;)

Anyway, the Texans organization is very happy with themselves. I'll admit that get a starting CB and Ben MF'ing Tate makes me pretty giddy. I'm going to be comparing Earl Mitchell to Geno Atkins for their entire football careers to see who is better.

[nunusguy]

OK here's what I really want to know: are we gonna see Big Al in the VIP/family section of the viewing area this summer watching his LB nephew in the sessions when fans are permitted to attend practices ?

[Roy P]

Rick is happy with our OL. Butler as the swing Tackle and the addition of Wade Smith means the line is set. Shelley Smith is a OC/OG guy who will compete with Studdard and White. My stomach hurts. I hope they keep an eye out. I hear that Alan Faneca may be looking for a job. ;)


There are some times when I believe Rick Smith is actually listening to me. Now, if we can just get this guy signed to a real contract. To me, he's worth than Antonio Smith to this roster. I just hope the GM believes that.

[NBT]

Ah....Ye of little faith. You are all a bunch of hindsighters. I, for one, will wait to see how this group performs on the practice field and in games.