Cause I'm Bored A : Pre All Star Games Mock

[popanot]

That's a heck of a draft, but just too much to give up for my taste. I also don't see Dixon lasting that long. For that cost, I'd probably go a different direction.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by popanot

That's a heck of a draft, but just too much to give up for my taste. I also don't see Dixon lasting that long. For that cost, I'd probably go a different direction.

I too think the cost is to high. But I wanted to see if it was possible.

Also on this list Dixon was available, and iirc, Williams from Arkansas was there at that pick also.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Heard that Chargers are willing to trade #3. So I tried it on fanspeak.

Used DraftTek chart

3: R1P3 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 S SEAN DAVIS MARYLAND
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU

TRADE PARTNER:
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK
FUTURE ROUND 2 PICK

TEXANS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 3

Expensive Trade, so the question becomes "Is Wentz the Guy"?

Wentz seems to be the top-rated QB coming out of the combine. Yep easily the biggest player personnel move the Texans would have ever made to this point in time if this trade would come to pass.
But that is the question here isn't it - "Is Wentz the Guy" ?

[HPF Bob]

I had heard conflicting reports that the 49ers were willing to trade down and that they were willing to trade Kaepernick (the Texans were mentioned as a suitor but apparently nobody bothered to ask the Texans first). So I tried using the offer of our 2016 #1 and 2017 #1 plus 2016 #2 to move to #7 to get Goff or Wentz. The problem was, in this sim, the Cowboys took Wentz so I could either take Lynch, take another position or trade down. I traded back down with Philly at #13 for a pair of thirds.

So I wound up with Lynch, Hooper and both Arkansas RBs but I'm out the following year's #1.

[HPF Bob]

I traded up with the 9ers again for #7 involving our #1s in 2016 and 2017 plus our #2 this year. I also traded down twice for more depth later on:

7: R1P7 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
86: R3P23 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
149: R5P10 S MILES KILLEBREW SOUTHERN UTAH
159: R5P20 RB KELVIN TAYLOR FLORIDA
166: R5P27 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
187: R6P9 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
238: R7P19 FB DEREK WATT WISCONSIN


TRADE PARTNER:
NEW YORK GIANTS
SENT:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 10
ROUND: 6 PICK: 9

TRADE PARTNER:
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 7

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 23
ROUND: 7 PICK: 19

I forget which big board I used but they were all pre-combine.

[painekiller]

FanSpeak's first list post combine.

11: R1P11 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
52: R2P21 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
120: R4P21 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
140: R5P1 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
159: R5P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
166: R5P27 S JAYRON KEARSE CLEMSON
198: R6P20 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN

Trades

TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 11

TRADE PARTNER: TENNESSEE TITANS GET:
FUTURE ROUND 4 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 1

5 offensive picks
3 defensive picks

Potential franchise QB, athletic NT with size, stud SEC RB with speed, day one slot CB, athletic TE, burner WR, box safety, that can cover, raw athletic OT.

Two trades that give up next year, but the offense starts to rebuild now.

I could endorse the draft. Nice group.

If the Texans were to get Wentz, then I would consider the draft a success. Add in the other parts picked here and you added much needed depth or potential starters.

[popanot]

I wonder if Philly is so frustrated with Demarco Murray's attitude and contract that they'd trade out of their #1 for cheap just to dump him and his salary. I'd be inclined to give up our #1 and #2 (and maybe a future pick) if we could get the QB and Murray (RB), or if not Murray, sign Lamar Miller so we could use our other picks elsewhere. They should have cap money to do something like that this year.

[HPF Bob]

I decided to trade down and seek Hackenberg or Prescott so I stockpiled picks and came away with this (Fanspeak board 3/1):

40: R2P9 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS
57: R2P26 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
71: R3P8 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
89: R3P26 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
110: R4P11 WR KENNY LAWLER CALIFORNIA
120: R4P21 CB KEVON SEYMOUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
126: R4P27 OT LE'RAVEN CLARK TEXAS TECH
149: R5P10 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
159: R5P20 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
163: R5P24 OLB DEION JONES LSU
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
227: R7P8 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS


TRADE PARTNER:
GREEN BAY PACKERS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 26
ROUND: 4 PICK: 27
ROUND: 5 PICK: 24

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW YORK GIANTS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 9
ROUND: 3 PICK: 8
ROUND: 4 PICK: 11
ROUND: 5 PICK: 10

TRADE PARTNER:
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 26
ROUND: 7 PICK: 8

Yeah, didn't intend on getting 3 WRs but I was shopping for value.

[HPF Bob]

While trying to mock the Super Bowl 50 Champion Denver Broncos draft at Fanspeak, I noticed they had extra choices beyond the 32nd pick in the round which I thought was a mistake. So I contacted Megan at Fanspeak and she said they had connections that have already projected the compensation picks and added those picks to their mock simulations. Which means, among other conclusions, that the Texans aren't getting any compensation picks this year.

[painekiller]

FanSpeak is finally starting to get the list updated post combine.

22: R1P22 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
32: R2P1 RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTT OHIO ST
52: R2P21 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
159: R5P20 DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
166: R5P27 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN
198: R6P20 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE

TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS GET:
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 1 (RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTT)

i had to jump back in when I saw Elliott still available at the top of round 2. Could have given up picks in this year, but preferred to give up next years one.

[HPF Bob]

CBS has updated their Big Board post-combine so I took a crack. Instead of trading up, I traded down and still got my QB choice of the second-tier group.


30: R1P30 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 DT AUSTIN JOHNSON PENN STATE
62: R2P31 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
85: R3P22 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
120: R4P21 C JACK ALLEN MICHIGAN STATE
159: R5P20 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
166: R5P27 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
198: R6P20 WR DEMARCUS AYERS HOUSTON

TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
ROUND: 2 PICK: 31

With the bonus pick acquired in the trade, I was able to get Mr. Heisman as well as Lynch. Austin Johnson is a big DT that came from Bill OBrien U. who will help whenever Wilfork runs out of gas. Allen is a name I haven't looked at before but there was a big drop between him and the next best OL on the board. He has that C-G flexibility, a former wrestler who excels at line calls and short-space movement. On the downside, he's a bit small for the pros.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I decided to trade down and seek Hackenberg or Prescott so I stockpiled picks and came away with this (Fanspeak board 3/1):

40: R2P9 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS
57: R2P26 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
71: R3P8 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
89: R3P26 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
110: R4P11 WR KENNY LAWLER CALIFORNIA
120: R4P21 CB KEVON SEYMOUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
126: R4P27 OT LE'RAVEN CLARK TEXAS TECH
149: R5P10 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
159: R5P20 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
163: R5P24 OLB DEION JONES LSU
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
227: R7P8 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS

value.

I liked your idea of getting extra draft picks....so I did the same and selected the following players:

40 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISS ST
57 OC RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
71 RB CJ PROSISE NOTRE DAME
89 DE CHRIS JONES MISS ST
110 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
120 OG CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN AZ ST
126 NT JAVON HARGRAVE S. CAROLINA ST
149 SS MILES KILLEBREW S. UTAH STATE
159 OLB CHARLES TAPPER OKLAHOMA
163 OT WILLIE BEAVERS W. MICHIGAN
166 RB KENYAN DRAKE ALABAMA
198 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA
227 CB ANTHONY BROWN PURDUE

[HPF Bob]

You gotta be kidding me. Fanspeak mock with 3/4 CBS board produced the QB of the future without a trade and an amazing 5 trade downs with our second round pick.

22: R1P22 QB JARED GOFF CALIFORNIA
63: R2P32 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
79: R3P16 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
123: R4P24 G SPENCER DRANGO BAYLOR
124: R4P25 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
144: R5P5 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE
159: R5P20 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
166: R5P27 RB TYLER ERVIN SAN JOSE STATE
190: R6P12 OT ALEX LEWIS NEBRASKA
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
199: R6P21 FB DEREK WATT WISCONSIN


TRADE PARTNER:
CINCINNATI BENGALS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 24
ROUND: 4 PICK: 24

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 27

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 29
ROUND: 6 PICK: 21

TRADE PARTNER:
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 24

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 27
ROUND: 4 PICK: 25

TRADE PARTNER:
WASHINGTON REDSKINS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 22
ROUND: 6 PICK: 12

TRADE PARTNER:
DENVER BRONCOS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 29

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 32
ROUND: 5 PICK: 5

TRADE PARTNER:
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22
ROUND: 4 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 16

[popanot]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

You gotta be kidding me. Fanspeak mock with 3/4 CBS board produced the QB of the future without a trade and an amazing 5 trade downs with our second round pick.

IMO, Wentz will be over-drafted in the actual draft (although, he could still be really good), and I have a feeling us amateur draft pundits (myself included) are over-valuing the rest of the QB's. I have a feeling NFL teams do not think as highly of this QB crop as we do. It would not shock me to see Goff - or even Wentz - fall that far if say the Browns fall in love with Goff instead.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by popanot

I have a feeling NFL teams do not think as highly of this QB crop as we do. It would not shock me to see Goff - or even Wentz - fall that far if say the Browns fall in love with Goff instead.

From your lips to God's ears. If we stayed put and were able to draft Goff, I would be tickled pink.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Roy P

From your lips to God's ears. If we stayed put and were able to draft Goff, I would be tickled pink.

The key will be SF. I think CLE definitely goes QB. But if SF decides to continue to roll with Kap, I think QB2 could fall to us. Rams are another wildcard, but I could see them passing on QB.

Would be nice if:
SF sticks with Kap
Rams sign RG3
NYJ re-signs Fitzmagic

But then, we're going to sign Osweiler and this will be all moot. 😒

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by popanot

The key will be SF. I think CLE definitely goes QB. But if SF decides to continue to roll with Kap, I think QB2 could fall to us. Rams are another wildcard, but I could see them passing on QB.

I could see the Cardinals taking Dak Prescott in the 2nd round as Fisher's "Poor man's Steve McNair" - If that happens and we didn't have a QB, I would rather have Kevin Hogan than Christian Hackenberg....hell, Connor Cook and his "baggage" would be a better option than Hackenberg.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

....hell, Connor Cook and his "baggage" would be a better option than Hackenberg.

I agree with this part. Also I am not in favor of Hogan.

[painekiller]

I used the CBS updated board

23: R1P23 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 OT COLE TONER HARVARD
122: R4P23 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
159: R5P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
160: R5P21 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
166: R5P27 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 23
ROUND: 4 PICK: 23
ROUND: 5 PICK: 21

I cannot wait until the FA signing start in this week, so the teams real needs are shown.

I am still waiting on them the resign the two starting OL guys, and Crick.

[HPF Bob]

Fanspeak updated their board 3/8 so I partook. Had a trade down with the Packers from 22 to 27 and gained some third-day picks:

27: R1P27 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 G LANDON TURNER NORTH CAROLINA
92: R3P29 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE
120: R4P21 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
126: R4P27 RB PAUL PERKINS UCLA
159: R5P20 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 DE CHARLES TAPPER OKLAHOMA
199: R6P21 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS

TRADE PARTNER:
GREEN BAY PACKERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 27
ROUND: 3 PICK: 25
ROUND: 4 PICK: 27

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 25

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 29
ROUND: 6 PICK: 21