Official Texans vs. Chiefs Wild Card Game Thread, 1/9/2016 - Page 7

nunusguy · #**121** 01-10-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nconroe

If I were to assess blame for this year it would all be on BOB. He pretty clearly made the choices that led to Hoyer being our QB.

One could definitely make a case that our QB situation has regressed. Actually a case could be that it has obviously regressed.
The same could be said for the team as a whole when we consider our record was the same as last year even though unlike last year we didn't have to contend with our primary nemesis who has been laid up most of the year with a sliced kidney. And so many questions about how he's handled the QB situation, including his actions or lack thereof in the two drafts he's been here ?

popanot · #**122** 01-11-2016, 08:34 AM

I knew I saw Hopkins mouthing "Get his ass out of here!!" as he was walking off the field after Hoyer's 4th turnover shortly before the half

http://www.ynn.io/daily-hype/more/ge...brian-hoyer-15

I get Weeden sucks and likely wouldn't have made a difference, but I don't care. You pull Hoyer's ass regardless. I would rather have seen ANYBODY other than Hoyer playing QB after the half (especially after the first series of the 2nd half when he went 3 and out and was obviously still lost and going to suck). I wouldn't have cared if they went strictly to the wildcat at that point. Anybody, anything, other than Hoyer.

And let me just say, I don't care how much of the playbook Weeden knew, to not give him some starter reps in practice (as OB said he only had one lonely snap with the starters) leading up to a playoff game with a QB who has recently been concussed is a highly questionable decision, IMO.

barrett · #**123** 01-11-2016, 12:05 PM

For now I'll ignore what happened at QB this week. I think the worst screw ups that led to that...

6. Not signing Weeden at the same time we signed Yates. We gambled on the roster spot being more valuable, then when Yates got hurt we had to sign a guy way to late to learn the playbook. Thus we get the worst QB performance in NFL playoff history and have nowhere to go.

5. Knowing Ryan Mallett and somehow not realizing how much of a head case he is. How was this guy brought back this year? How bad is Hoyer to lose a job to this screw up?

4. Thinking Brian Hoyer was a starting QB. Not much to say here I haven't said before.

3. Putting Tom Savage on IR. Tom has been totally healthy for the whole 2nd half of the season and could have started several games for us. I think he'd have been better than the garbage we had, we might be in round 2, and he'd be fully evaluated going forward.

2. Not drafting a QB in the early rounds during O'Brien's first 2 seasons. It's huge arrogance to think he doesn't need talent there to win (when every other coach in history did need talent).

1. Passing on Derek Carr. This is the truly unforgivable one for me. The most QB desperate team in the NFL has a 1st round talent fall to round 2, no trade up necessary, and we don't pull the trigger. Swap out Sua Fi'o for Carr and this team might have had a bye this past week. We'd be a promising team going forward. Instead we are a punchline.

If I made a 6-bet parlay 12 months ago that a QB starved NFL franchise coming off a 9 win seasons would be this stupid this many times, I'd be a millionaire right now.

barrett · #**124** 01-11-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

I knew I saw Hopkins mouthing "Get his ass out of here!!" as he was walking off the field after Hoyer's 4th turnover shortly before the half

http://www.ynn.io/daily-hype/more/ge...brian-hoyer-15

I get Weeden sucks and likely wouldn't have made a difference, but I don't care. You pull Hoyer's ass regardless. I would rather have seen ANYBODY other than Hoyer playing QB after the half (especially after the first series of the 2nd half when he went 3 and out and was obviously still lost and going to suck). I wouldn't have cared if they went strictly to the wildcat at that point. Anybody, anything, other than Hoyer.

And let me just say, I don't care how much of the playbook Weeden knew, to not give him some starter reps in practice (as OB said he only had one lonely snap with the starters) leading up to a playoff game with a QB who has recently been concussed is a highly questionable decision, IMO.

Hopkins now has a little more in common with Andre Johnson. He's learning what it is to be screwed by our QB play.

chuck · #**125** 01-11-2016, 01:34 PM

I'm not sure that's exactly what Nuke said but the sentiment was clear.

nunusguy · #**126** 01-11-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

3. Putting Tom Savage on IR. Tom has been totally healthy for the whole 2nd half of the season and could have started several games for us. I think he'd have been better than the garbage we had, we might be in round 2, and he'd be fully evaluated going forward.

I'm hoping the team doctors initially misjudged his rehab period and told O'brien he couldn't make it back during the current season from his injury, otherwise IRing Savage at that time is hard to explain and justify ?

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Originally Posted by barrett

2. Not drafting a QB in the early rounds during O'Brien's first 2 seasons. It's huge arrogance to think he doesn't need talent there to win (when every other coach in history did need talent).

Inexplicible and inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by barrett

1. Passing on Derek Carr. This is the truly unforgivable one for me. The most QB desperate team in the NFL has a 1st round talent fall to round 2, no trade up necessary, and we don't pull the trigger. Swap out Sua Fi'o for Carr and this team might have had a bye this past week. We'd be a promising team going forward. Instead we are a punchline.

On this one I can buy the oft expressed explanation which is many in the organization, led by the owner himself, felt that the younger brother of David Carr could potentially be subjected to an environment of harsh criticism and ridicule at the first sign of any issues which would make his success that much more difficult to realize.

popanot · #**127** 01-11-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

I'm not sure that's exactly what Nuke said but the sentiment was clear.

I can definitely see him mouth "...ass out of here". Unfortunately, that video is poor quality and slowed down. I'd love to find better, full-speed version.

barrett · #**128** 01-11-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

I'm hoping the team doctors initially misjudged his rehab period and told O'brien he couldn't make it back during the current season from his injury, otherwise IRing Savage at that time is hard to explain and justify ?

Inexplicible and inexcusable.

On this one I can buy the oft expressed explanation which is many in the organization, led by the owner himself, felt that the younger brother of David Carr could potentially be subjected to an environment of harsh criticism and ridicule at the first sign of any issues which would make his success that much more difficult to realize.

It is a weak willed group that doesn't draft a guy because of fan sentiment. I can't imagine O'Brien operating that way. I think it far more likely they just totally blew their evaluation of Carr.