Let's Talk 2016 NFL Draft Quarterbacks

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

Speaking of... this thread reminds me of the one we had about two years ago. Fun read to look back if anyone has the time.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1724

Here's a hot take from our local quarterback guru, an outSTANding evaluator of how college quarterbacking talent will translate to the NFL:

The hype is wearying and it pains me to say it but I think that with some coaching and some maturity Manziel could be a very successful NFL quarterback.

I could see Manziel translating to the NFL much more clearly than I could Mariota.

Nailed it.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Here's a hot take from our local quarterback guru, an outSTANding evaluator of how college quarterbacking talent will translate to the NFL:



Nailed it.

We would all look dumb if we looked back at old draft prognostications. I remember almost the entire board declaring JJ Watt to be a terrible pick. I remember Jake Locker was going to lead the Titans to destroy us every year. I was an Amobi Okoye fan. The paid experts get it right less than half the time. The media experts less than that. And despite our awesome football knowledge, the amateur draftniks who don't get access to half the knowledge the teams do, we get it right even less.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

Nailed it.

Ha. So tell us again who you like this year so the Texans can avoid him, too.

Originally Posted by barrett

We would all look dumb if we looked back at old draft prognostications. I remember almost the entire board declaring JJ Watt to be a terrible pick. I remember Jake Locker was going to lead the Titans to destroy us every year. I was an Amobi Okoye fan. The paid experts get it right less than half the time. The media experts less than that. And despite our awesome football knowledge, the amateur draftniks who don't get access to half the knowledge the teams do, we get it right even less.

I thought Cam would bust when he talked about taking a vacation right after he was picked.

I don't recall the Watt vitriol as much on this board... it was just an odd pick because the team had Mario and the Ninja already, so had to figure how that move would affect Mario.

That Amobi pick was all about Rick learning on-the-job. He's done well since to not project so far with his first round picks since.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Keith

Speaking of... this thread reminds me of the one we had about two years ago. Fun read to look back if anyone has the time.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1724

Just took a look at the old thread. Besides aeeing the banter about Manziel, Carr, Bridgewater, and Bortles; there was a post by Keith showing a Youtube video of OB about what he wants in a QB. So, I went to Youtube and watched it. Ironicly he mentioned the Eagles' QB coach Bill Lazor. I was excited that perhaps if OB respected him then, perhaps we could sign him as our QB coach now. Since the video, Lazor was hired as the OC for Philbin and the Dolphins. Then was let go when Philbin was fired even though Tannehill was signed as a Franchise QB. Unfortunately, the Bengals beat us to the punch and hired Lazor to be Andy Dalton's coach.

Listening to OB discuss all of the things that a QB has to understand about reading defenses and making good decisions and educating a QB to increase his football IQ, it seems imperative to me that we have an assigned coach whose sole responsibility is to make sure that the message/vision that the HC & OC have in mind is taught to your QB. We hear how complex this Offense is and how difficult it is to learn. We assume that a veteran QB with experience (Hoyer) might be kept on the roster to mentor his successor, but I would think that the experienced QB is more concerned about starting himself, learning the game plan and preparing to play the next game more than he would be in training someone else.

[Roy P]

This is what I think happens after listening to OB. The Texans sign Matt McGloin this off-season, give Tom Savage a legitimate opportunity to earn the starting job, and draft Stanford QB Kevin Hogan instead of Hackenberg. Just my gut impression.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by chuck

...The hype is wearying and it pains me to say it but I think that with some coaching and some maturity Manziel could be a very successful NFL quarterback.....

Nailed it.

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself.... Manziel doesn't seem to have the maturity thing down, yet... Seems he's been attending the Charlie Sheen Sports Academy....

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

We would all look dumb if we looked back at old draft prognostications. I remember almost the entire board declaring JJ Watt to be a terrible pick. I remember Jake Locker was going to lead the Titans to destroy us every year. I was an Amobi Okoye fan. The paid experts get it right less than half the time. The media experts less than that. And despite our awesome football knowledge, the amateur draftniks who don't get access to half the knowledge the teams do, we get it right even less.

Yep picking ahead of us in 2011, I was upset that the 49ers took Aldon Smith off of the Board and then upset a second time when we took JJ instead of Auburns DT Nick Farley.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is what I think happens after listening to OB. The Texans sign Matt McGloin this off-season, give Tom Savage a legitimate opportunity to earn the starting job, and draft Stanford QB Kevin Hogan instead of Hackenberg. Just my gut impression.

I would welcome that scenario becoming the reality for the Texans
at QB in 2016, and I certainly would prefer it to making the big gamble and moving way up into the top 10 and exchanging multiple picks (including 2 first-rounders) for a QB named Wentz or Lynch or whatever.

[barrett]

I think QB draft scenarios are make believe at this point. There will be tons of movement in the next 2 months on who goes where, if we need to move up, what that takes, etc... In the end Wentz or whoever we like might take a trade up to get, but who knows. There is no clear number 1 in this group, and there may not be. Our favorite guy might be a 2nd rounder to everyone else.

But we need to do what it takes to get a guy we think is the long term answer. You can't punt the QB position 3 years in a row.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is what I think happens after listening to OB. The Texans sign Matt McGloin this off-season, give Tom Savage a legitimate opportunity to earn the starting job, and draft Stanford QB Kevin Hogan instead of Hackenberg. Just my gut impression.

And if we give Savage first crack at the job 10 months after IRing with a small injury so we could use the 8 week IR on Ryan Griffin, it highlights even more how colossally stupid the QB handling was in 2015.

[HPF Bob]

I don't see this as a particularly strong draft class which means teams at the top will probably want to trade down so the trade-up scenarios may not be as daunting as we now think. However, the combine and workouts may change that opinion.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I don't see this as a particularly strong draft class which means teams at the top will probably want to trade down so the trade-up scenarios may not be as daunting as we now think. However, the combine and workouts may change that opinion.

Very strong Defensive draft, but IMO a medium QB draft. And the owner has declared he wants a franchise QB. Time to force one.

I like the kid from Oregon, Vernon Adams Jr. But he is not a franchise guy due to his height.

I could live with Roy's guy Dak Prescott.

IMO you draft 2 guys and hope one turns out.

[barrett]

I am not a fan of two young QBs. QB is a position that needs the belief and backing of a franchise. Look at Kirk Cousins. He had skills as a backup, but was terrible as a starter in 2014 when the drama swirled around RG3 and him and who would play. Colt McCoy outplayed them both, probably because he didn't have any expectations or future. Then this season RG3 is taken out of the picture, the coach and team fully backs Cousins, and by midseason he looks like a franchise guy.

O'Brien is an offense guy and is supposed to specifically be a QB guy. We waited 3 years and no vet fell in our laps. No trade, no FA, Drew Brees didn't shake lose. It's time for O'Brien to pick a QB (even if it's not a 1st rounder) and put everything he has behind the guy.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by painekiller

IMO you draft 2 guys and hope one turns out.

You mean like when the Oilers drafted Dan Pastorini and Lynn Dickey or when the Redskins chose RGIII and later too Kirk Cousins?

[Roy P]

I could give support to this idea. A combo of Christian Hackenberg and Kevin Hogan or Dak Prescott and Jacoby Brissett would give the team some insurance.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

You mean like when the Oilers drafted Dan Pastorini and Lynn Dickey or when the Redskins chose RGIII and later too Kirk Cousins?

Yep. Dickey outplayed Pastorini until he broke his hip. So it worked out. The Oilers traded Dickey who had a solid career.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I could give support to this idea. A combo of Christian Hackenberg and Kevin Hogan or Dak Prescott and Jacoby Brissett would give the team some insurance.

I could live with Dak Prescott and Vernon Adams

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I could live with Dak Prescott and Vernon Adams

Vernon Adams would be an acceptable choices. He is short, but I still think he can play in the league.