Official Texans vs. Ravens Game Thread, 12/13/2010

[Keith]

goodnight, irene

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

goodnight, irene

Sadly, you're singing to Irene and not Gary. Nine years of futility. The Texans are a franchise comparable in the NFL only to the Bills and the Lions.

[Big Texas]

This game represents Kubiak's legacy here in Houston.

So much talent WASTED...

Kubiak's legacy...

1. Every game was an almost game
2. Underprepared
3. Last minute mistakes
4. Never living up to expectation
5. Stubborn
6. Hires staff based on relationship, not experience or proven credentials
7. Accountability seems non-existent for anyone on the staff
8. Overall: the biggest WASTE of talent

With Kubiak at the helm, Detroit and Cleveland will reach the playoffs before us. So far Oakland, KC, Tampa, and (seemingly St. Louis) are on track to surpass us.

[chuck]

Goddam, I'm tired of this team.

Good night, all.

[Fonz the Boss]

What a great game!!! Just wish we could have been on the winning end of it. I feel for Schaub because we wouldnt have been in it if it wasn't for his gutsy performance. It was a gut check for him in the 4th quarter and he responded with some great throws and amazing 4th down conversions. I know he wants to have that pick 6 back and I guarantee you that nobody feels worse about that loss than him. I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense. The second half showed that if you are able to dial up blitzes and put pressure then your secondary has a better chance to make plays. There is no need for a new HC and a complete overhaul on our offensive scheme. Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year. If our defense was at least a middle of the pack D then we would no bout be a playoff team this year. Im a believer in GQ and KJ. They cant possibly play any worse next year especially if we bring in a qualified DC.

[Nconroe]

Well, we apparently set an NFL record tonight, four times in one year to come back from two touchdowns or more down to tie or take the lead, and then loose.

They just can't finish, for a variety of reasons this year.

And it was an entertaining, exciting game, with a lousy end for our side.

[coloradodude]

Wow, I was so certain we were gonna get manhandled I didn't even bother posting that. At half time I knew I was right. At the kickoff of the second half I was gonna turn the TV off.

But then I wanted the Texans to really get pounded only to my disappointment. AJ made that incredible one hand snatch and then the TD.

What did I learn? I hope Schaub bounces back because he is amazing. Talk about Mr Cool.

The ending sucked but what a fantastic second half. We need to do something with that defense though.

[nunusguy]

Schaub did play a great game, but ended up feeling like a fast-baller who started, went all the way, and then had to go into extra innings with over way over 100 pitchs on that arm, and in the end had no zip on the ball. What did he end up with, 60 some passes ?
In some ways a strong effort and the defense did hold up in the second half, but too many dropped balls by the receivers and too many missed tackles by the defenders. I guess that's an issue about focus or preparation ?
BTW, our little 4th round corner #29 (Quinn), came up strong I thought last night ?

[HPF Bob]

They are the Houston ****************-Ups. There's just no other way to say it. They can't put four good quarters together and find a way to lose practically every week.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss

I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense ...Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year.

A year huh? tell that to the Jets, falcons, and the list of other teams taht have changed coaches and gone to the playoffs the following year who have gotten jobs since kubiak was hired.


this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.

also, they always fight back because they don't score in the first half and then have to get themselves back into the game.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by chuck

I just wonder why it takes so long to get a freaking play in.

I think it is because the what-ever-his-name-is OC, is good at the run game as note Foster's runs, but when it comes to the passing game, Kubes has had to take over and call the routes and protection schemes, leaving precious little time to his job of running the overall team. JMHO

[edo783]

Last night the headsets weren't working most of the time for us. That slowed the plays getting in.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by cadams

...the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk.

not debating change or don't change coaches, however, if this next year is a lockout of players, it will for sure be a problem to change coaches.

likely overall changing coaches in a normal year is also causing an upset, indendent of who he is, always exceptions as you mentioned to the majority of situations.

I guess team is too young overall, too many players not being consistent is problemo for this year, and playing some good teams, and injuries, and suspensions, all part of the losses. will another year help, I don't know.

In this games we outgained Ravens 489 yards to 253 yards, more first downs 28 to 19, barely led time of possession, so, in no way were Texans dominated. Defense did pretty good and got sacks as well. field position and penalties and turnovers is what led to Ravens points, mostly execution things.

[Fonz the Boss]

Originally Posted by cadams

this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.

I know there are instances in which teams make the playoffs with first year coaches but it does not happen often. The problem I have with a new HC is that it will shake things up entirely when clearly our problems are on the defensive side of the football. Our offense is still number 6 overall and has been a top 10 offense all year long. I don't believe we've ever had this type of balanced attack before. I don't mean to bash on Schaub because he is very qualified at what he does, but he is what he is because he knows the system like the back of his hand. Kubs has mentioned before that he is one of the few QBs in the league that can go without practice, be given the game plan, and not miss a beat on gameday with the playcalling. I believe a new system will set him back into mediocrity. However, with all the frustration of another losing season I can understand why alot of people want Kubiak out of here.

[cadams]

the offense has plenty of problems. sure they are high in a lot of categories,but when they go blank for the first half of every game that is an issue. i am not saying the offense isn't good, but defenses play different when they have double-digit leads.

[barrett]

I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.

On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).

If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.

He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.

Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.

On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).

If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.

He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.

Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?

I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.

As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....

There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity.

Preach it, brother.

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by barrett

Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.

I like your thinking here about Dungy. Dungy had a bad rap for a while that he couldn't take a team to the SB but once he had a competitive QB, he was fine...but he didn't go to the SB every year still. Take Peyton Manning out of the picture and Dungy may never have gone.

And that's my thoughts on a parallel situation in Schottenheimer.


Dungy or Schottenheimer assure the Texans of a very, very physical team that demands respect. At this point, that's all I want which means 11 wins in a season.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.

As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....

There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....

yes, I am referring to management. If Kubiak stays, I will not be happy, but I will start next season truly rooting for him to prove me wrong. And I will start week 1 thinking this is the year. That is my right as a fan.

But the ownership, and Rick Smith if he is involved on that level, should not have the option to ignore the writing on the wall like I can as a fan.