Official Texans vs. Rams Game Thread, 10/13/2013

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I am fine with that.

Really? No, really?

You view this whole thing as a random lottery?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Really? No, really?

You view this whole thing as a random lottery?

Not at all. I just think owners have little positive influence and best serve a team by staying out of the way and cutting checks (even if they spend more to make more). McNair does both of those and because of that is no obstacle to winning. Any good head coach could win with an owner like McNair. Even Kubiak with all his flaws has won with McNair as an owner.

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by barrett

Not at all. I just think owners have little positive influence and best serve a team by staying out of the way and cutting checks (even if they spend more to make more). McNair does both of those and because of that is no obstacle to winning. Any good head coach could win with an owner like McNair. Even Kubiak with all his flaws has won with McNair as an owner.

^^^this^^^ My only problem with McNair is that in my opinion he is to patient with his coaching staff. I think he needs to put them on a shorter leash.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by BigBull

^^^this^^^ My only problem with McNair is that in my opinion he is to patient with his coaching staff. I think he needs to put them on a shorter leash.

Kubiak is coming off of 2 successive double-digit winning seasons & 2 successive AFC South division championship seasons including 12 wins last year. If McNair were to delay firing Kubiak until after this season is over, would that still be too much patience for you ?

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Kubiak is coming off of 2 successive double-digit winning seasons & 2 successive AFC South division championship seasons including 12 wins last year. If McNair were to delay firing Kubiak until after this season is over, would that still be too much patience for you ?

I not talking about just this year. I don't think he should have given Kubiak the extention in the first place and this team started falling apart last season. Kubiak should have been fired after the defensive coordinator debacle. I believe he waited to long with Dom Capers too.

[Joshua]

Throughout his tenure, Kubiak has shown himself to be, at most, an average coach. Both his record and my eyes confirm this. The last 2 years have been pretty good but they were both when the division was an absolute train wreck and only represent 1/4 of his time here.

Throw in the fact that we largely not only lose, but get pummeled when playing quality opponents, I see absolutely no reason to think Kubiak, after 8 years, is going to somehow turn the corner. His time has come. He should be let go at the end of the year and I'm to the point of hoping they don't do anything that would jeopardize this outcome.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

Throughout his tenure, Kubiak has shown himself to be, at most, an average coach. Both his record and my eyes confirm this. The last 2 years have been pretty good but they were both when the division was an absolute train wreck and only represent 1/4 of his time here.

Throw in the fact that we largely not only lose, but get pummeled when playing quality opponents, I see absolutely no reason to think Kubiak, after 8 years, is going to somehow turn the corner. His time has come. He should be let go at the end of the year and I'm to the point of hoping they don't do anything that would jeopardize this outcome.

I agree completely with the 2nd paragraph. I disagree that the division was a mess last year. 2 of the 6 playoff teams were out of the AFC South making it one of the tougher/toughest AFC divisions last year.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by BigBull

I not talking about just this year. I don't think he should have given Kubiak the extention in the first place and this team started falling apart last season. Kubiak should have been fired after the defensive coordinator debacle. I believe he waited to long with Dom Capers too.

An expansion guy is always going to get a longer hook.

Kubiak could have very eaisly been fired after the 2010 season and had nobody to blame but himself. I was all for it. The last two years made it impossible to fire him in those seasons. Hopefully a losing record this year and he is done.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree completely with the 2nd paragraph. I disagree that the division was a mess last year. 2 of the 6 playoff teams were out of the AFC South making it one of the tougher/toughest AFC divisions last year.

Well, somebody has to win the division so 1 playoff spot is a given and I can't give too much credit for that. Admittedly, the Colts went 11-5 and grabbed a wild card, but they went 11-5 while giving up more points than they scored. As I understand it, this had never happened before and all of the advanced stats guys think that last year's Colts team was one of the weakest 11-5 teams in history. In any event, we went 1-1 against that team.

But train wreck might have been a little strong.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

Well, somebody has to win the division so 1 playoff spot is a given and I can't give too much credit for that. Admittedly, the Colts went 11-5 and grabbed a wild card, but they went 11-5 while giving up more points than they scored. As I understand it, this had never happened before and all of the advanced stats guys think that last year's Colts team was one of the weakest 11-5 teams in history. In any event, we went 1-1 against that team.

But train wreck might have been a little strong.

I agree the Colts were a weak 11-5, but they were clearly better than the 2nd best team in any other AFC division (bengals, Miami, San Diego). The Bengals were the last playoff team and they got beat up by the free falling Texans.