Official Texans @ Raiders Game Thread, 11/21/2016

[barrett]

And I forgot to mention O'Brien did it all while playing against the best young QB in the NFL, Derek Carr, who we desperately needed to draft but we didn't because our owner was afraid our fans wouldn't like his last name.

That is proof that McNair cares far more about money than he does about winning.

[chuck]

The officials made one terrible, irreversible call. All of the other atrocities (save the fourth down fk up) were completely reversible by good decisions by the head coach. That would-be Texans touchdown would not have decided the game.

The Texans scored only 20 points against a bad defense and captured no sacks. The refs were terrible but you can't hang on that. BO is horrible, he was a terrible sign that the head coach had nothing to do with.

Basically, you can complain about the refs all you want but the organization is a disaster.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

That is proof that McNair cares far more about money than he does about winning.

Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

The officials made one terrible, irreversible call. All of the other atrocities (save the fourth down fk up) were completely reversible by good decisions by the head coach. That would-be Texans touchdown would not have decided the game.

The Texans scored only 20 points against a bad defense and captured no sacks. The refs were terrible but you can't hang on that. BO is horrible, he was a terrible sign that the head coach had nothing to do with.

Basically, you can complain about the refs all you want but the organization is a disaster.

The failure to overturn the call O'Brien did challenge is just as bad. The fact that every crew around the league all but refuses to overturn missed spots does not excuse the fact that Hunt is on video lying across the 1st down marker. They went under the hood, saw they were wrong, and fell back on the 'call stands' garbage so they wouldn't have to admit it.

It is one of the most embarrassing things about the NFL that they have a naturally biased ref review his own call under a canvas hood. If the NFL cared at all about accuracy, they would get rid of the challenge system and handle all reviews in New York with a neutral official and a bank of 4K TV screens. Instead the NFL makes a mini-game out of review and convinces fans that it is the coach's fault that the refs compounded their incompetence with willful negligence.

I truly don't care who won tonight so I don't say the game was stolen to let O'Brien off the hook. O'Brien punting is a nail in the coffin for me. I won't watch another complete game this season. But none of that excuses the asinine NFL replay system and how poorly it is applied.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

That's why I called us the Washington Generals. We are well paid and well liked to appear as the opponent and lose to the franchises that matter.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

Yes, and this is how the Texans ended up playing this game in Mexico City. The team damn near lost 40% of its OL on a single play. And many others struggled with footing on this pasture all game long. McNair should consider this on the flight home... those are his investments he is risking to injury just so his product can get in this marketing fiesta.

[Big Texas]

I think the obvious is Brock sucks...but we knew that before coming into this game...even still we had a chance to win this game.

YES...we got screwed by the refs...yes refs will make a bad call or two...BUT they don't get a pass...they ****************ed up. In this game it just hurt more because the game was so close.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

McNair should consider this on the flight home...

He won't.

Each Raiders touchdown was directly traceable to a stupid fking BOB decision. The refs sucked, the field sucked, the water in Mexico sucks, etc. But this loss comes down to the Texans, no one else.

And McNeck doesn't care.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

If O'Brien doesn't take at least $50K in fines after this game I'll be disappointed.

"I'm not going to sit up here and get fined."

Direct quotation from your head coach at his press conference.

[chuck]

Also, he thought that last Texans play was fourth and six rather than fourth and four.

He truly is too stupid to be a bus driver.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

He truly is too stupid to be a bus driver.

O'Brien lacks the general IQ to be truly successful consistently. He will get work in the league for a long time after he leaves Houston... Nine win seasons will look great to mediocre and worse teams like the Browns, Rams, and others who, to paraphrase another mouth breather Jeff Fisher, are continually struggling through some 7-9 bullshit.

The strength of this team throughout O'Brien's tenure has clearly been the defense, seemingly the part of the on-field product O'Brien influences the least.

[Arky]

OB really needs to get his booth communication fixed because someone ain't doing their job. The B Miller rolled over Mack for the 1st down should have been caught by someone upstairs. The 3rd down L Miller run near the Raider goal line was another that was missed. No one contacted OB as far as I can tell. OB is on the field and he can't see that sh** - someone upstairs has to tell him when he has a good case.....

Hop's catch and run at the start of the game....dunno... still haven't seen a definitive replay. There was one look where it looked like his heel might've been out of bounds but was it really on the ground and not elevated? Dunno....

The spotting of the ball on the 4th and 1 call on Hunt's run was just all f'ed up. OB challenges but no bueno. The refs f'ed up. I'm still mad.... next time gain two yards and don't leave it the refs...

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The defense was so good except for those two or three mistakes. Some credit goes to the Raiders for figuring out those weaknesses....

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Oz seems to bounce between accurate and inaccurate - drives me crazy. He shoulda been INT'ed about 3 or 4 times..

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

O'Brien lacks the general IQ to be truly successful consistently. He will get work in the league for a long time after he leaves Houston...

He may even go on to win a Super Bowl a couple of years after the owner fires him (three years after he should have fired him).

[barrett]

I never like the 'don't leave it to the refs' logic. I don't mean this as an attack on you at all, I've just never liked it. If a team doesn't deserve to win because they were only slightly better and the refs were able to steal it from them because the difference was so slight, then the other team deserves to win even less since they left it up to the refs to steal it for them.

I understand officials make mistakes. But we should never accept officials blowing things. They should be held accountable just like we hold players and coaches accountable. Officials should lose jobs when they blow calls that cost players and coaches jobs.

But the NFL treats their officials as sacred cows. They build a wall of silence around them that the NBA and MLB don't. No self evaluation, no ownership of mistakes, no accountability, nothing. They prop them up with replay rather than correcting them with it. And in a game of inches, they let refs pick winners.

[chuck]

I fully accept that the refs fked this up today. I also recognize that each and every Raiders touchdown came immediately after a shockingly stupid BOB fkup.

To pin this on the refs is to minimize the outrageous idiocy on the part of the Texans staff, particularly its head coach.

As an aside, I do find it incredible how much worse the NFL refs are now since, well, since those fkwits were locked out. Odd, that.

[Arky]

Things that make you go hmmmm...

The Texans, one of the least penalized teams in the NFL were penalized 7 times for 101 yards.

The Raiders, who recently set a record for penalties in one game, were penalized 4 times for 21 yards....

Hmmm....

barrett: no sweat, we all have our opinions, don't we?...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I fully accept that the refs fked this up today. I also recognize that each and every Raiders touchdown came immediately after a shockingly stupid BOB fkup.

To pin this on the refs is to minimize the outrageous idiocy on the part of the Texans staff, particularly its head coach.

As an aside, I do find it incredible how much worse the NFL refs are now since, well, since those fkwits were locked out. Odd, that.

I don't think BOB's stupidity and the refs incompetence are mutually exclusive. I don't think either being true lets the other off the hook.

[Arky]

I really like this comment seen in another forum:

"Bad Reffing does not mix well with bad coaching".

I think that pretty much sums it up......

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I don't think BOB's stupidity and the refs incompetence are mutually exclusive. I don't think either being true lets the other off the hook.

That's fair. I just don't want people to fixate on the epic officiating incompetence and miss the brutal head coaching idiocy.

Also, there were maybe four BO passes that should have been intercepted. BO is wildly inaccurate.

[nunusguy]

Yea a real tough loss, but there were some positives to take from the game and that's led by the play of the run defense and the running game.
Osweiller was very fortunate to have only one interception because he threw atleast 2 passed directly at DBs, so he's still clearly a work-in-progress and clearly our QB thru 2016.
Many of you folks are upset and repeatedly promise to stop following the team - right, I'll see you back here in a few days for the game in NRG vs the Chargers.
And don't know what to do about the refs since we are only an average team at this point and not good enough to overcome calls like they made last night.