"Hints Dropped" by Kubiak - Is there a MegaBUXXX Signing on the Way?

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Mike

I would love to be a fly on Rick Smith's Blackberry at 12:01 Friday AM.

Yuck! ....

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Okay, I organized all this Peppers info into a single article with supporting linkage. Enjoy the mental holiday...

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090225.html

The thought of Peppers teamed with Mario is exciting...I doubt it will happen, but it would be fun to watch. I know Peppers has been accused of disappearing and taking plays off, but I know there's a tendency when a sack guy isn't getting sacks to say that he's coasting. Even if it's not the case. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My biggest concern is what is going to happen when Mario wants a new deal. If we have to give Peppers close to 30 MILL gauranteed, what are we going to have to give Mario in a few years who is a better all around player IMO??? I would like to have Peppers, but I don't know that I would if it makes it hard to keep OD, Demeco, and Dunta. There's just so much uncertainty with the CBA. Any big move like this is even more risky than in a normal year.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by popanot

Yuck! ....

It's good to know that I'm not the only twisted one here.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

You're kidding! Redskin fans are miserable and hopeless because Dan Snyder is young and will never learn.

Wow Gramps, you wanna drop a "...back in my day for us...".

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by papabear

It's good to know that I'm not the only twisted one here.

Thats wrong.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by kravix

...I would never pay my best employee minimum wage while bringing in lesser talent that gets paid a lot more.

You don't run many corporations do you ? I worked in them for 35 years and saw it all the time.

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I hardly thing we want to model our organization after those two. How about comparing our playoff wins in the last decade to the Cowboys and Redskins. Oh, that's right, they would combine for one more than us.

You totally missed my point. Those teams consistently have players I would love to see on our team (most teams would love to have many of their players). But we have suffered through the the most mediocre players and still have been maxed out on cap room.

And management/coaching is the reason those teams can't win more games...they definitely have the talent to win more games, including playoff games. Those tow teams know how to get superior players, they just don't kow what to do with them when they get them...excluding pacman Jones.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

You totally missed my point. Those teams consistently have players I would love to see on our team (most teams would love to have many of their players). But we have suffered through the the most mediocre players and still have been maxed out on cap room.

And management/coaching is the reason those teams can't win more games...they definitely have the talent to win more games, including playoff games. Those tow teams know how to get superior players, they just don't kow what to do with them when they get them...excluding pacman Jones.

We are absolutely not in cap trouble. So whatever happened years ago, we are not in cap trouble with mediocre players. We are in a great cap situation.

The colts and patriots spend wisely (one on their own talent and the other on bargain free agents). Neither spends huge money in FA. And they are the undoubted models of long term consistency in the league. I would hope the Texans are smart enough to follow suit. The skins and boys are proof that the NFL is more than a spending contest.

Now one FA signing does not make for an irresponsible spending spree. I don't mind overpaying for a single player if he makes a difference (you overpay for any FA). My problem is with your idea that those two teams are a good model of how to aquire talent.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

You totally missed my point. Those teams consistently have players I would love to see on our team (most teams would love to have many of their players). But we have suffered through the the most mediocre players and still have been maxed out on cap room.

And management/coaching is the reason those teams can't win more games...they definitely have the talent to win more games, including playoff games. Those tow teams know how to get superior players, they just don't kow what to do with them when they get them...excluding pacman Jones.

You are confusing the ramifications from the former organization led by Casserly, with the current one. We've been dealing with ridiculous contracts and dead money from the Casserly years. All of that has now been cleared and the team's main challenge is re-signing all these very good draft picks that have been coming down the pike the past 3 seasons. After the wonderful cuts today, we are more than $25 million under the cap heading into free agency. This is the first season that the handcuffs are off of Rick Smith. Look for some significant signings. However, you should be thrilled that they won't make the splashes in the media that Snyder and Jones do. Those guys are horrible with the cap and with personnel decisions. I have no idea what you are envious of?:

Pacman Jones
T. O.
Leonard Davis at Guard for $50 million?
Randle El for $30 million?
trading a 1st, 3rd, and 6th round pick for Roy Williams?

ugggh! I don't know why an educated football fan would want anything to do with those organizations...

The Cowboys had a couple good drafts but that was when Jerry gave control to Bill Parcells- of course, then he blew that up and signed T.O. against the Tunas' wishes and got rid of Bill in order to run the organization himself again. Thanks but no thanks!

[coloradodude]

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You guys want to talk foreign policy about the ramifications of sending Clinton to China with her history of insulting China on human rights?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You guys want to talk foreign policy about the ramifications of sending Clinton to China with her history of insulting China on human rights?

you don't get it. The cowboys have made big FA signings and they have not gotten better. There best players have been draft picks like Ware, Romo, Barber, etc... There big money spending has gotten them guys who have not helped.

As for the idea that we will "eventually" be maxed out on the cap so we should just spend while we can, this is just plain stupid. How do you figure we will eventually end up maxed on the cap with mediocre talent if we don't spend on big FA? You underline it like it's the strength of your argument, but it is little more than an illogical and unsupported statement. Please attempt to explain how we will end up "maxed on the cap" anyways no matter how we spend.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You guys want to talk foreign policy about the ramifications of sending Clinton to China with her history of insulting China on human rights?

You never should of used Dallas and Washington as examples. That was youre downfall.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

I get your point, but I don't agree with it. The cap numbers for most teams aren't that far apart. There's a few with a bunch of room, and a few barely squeaking under. Everyone else generally falls in between. Plenty of them don't have anything to show for it either. It's not like we are that much worse than the majority of teams in the NFL.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by papabear

I get your point, but I don't agree with it. The cap numbers for most teams aren't that far apart. There's a few with a bunch of room, and a few barely squeaking under. Everyone else generally falls in between. Plenty of them don't have anything to show for it either. It's not like we are that much worse than the majority of teams in the NFL.




You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

You are right-on, Papabear. I would much rather hope we get lucky signing lower level guys than hope these megabuck superstars live up to their gigantic contracts. And I don't mean just for the first year or two. Signing guys to their last contract is a risky proposition.

[Roy P]

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

[HPF Bob]

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense. Is forking over a ton of draft choices and cap space on one player a smart idea? I don't think so, especially when we've spent more than the GDP of some continents to be able to sack Peyton Manning and still have almost nothing to show for it.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

Gibril has made out like a Bandit the last two years. Win the superbowl, take old man Al's nice signing bonus, get cut and then get Tuna dollars.

[gunslinger57]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense.

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

I think the idea is to spend the same, but spread the "bust" risk out over several players. In general your are going to be better making smaller upgrades to several postions than one major upgrade.