Jaques Reeves - Page 3

painekiller · #41 07-14-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Way to stay postive there, CD.

Think about it. Bennett and if the preseason press is correct, Molden should be the starters at some point this season. Dunta would only be expected to be a nickle back if his injury has slowed him, other wise he is pushing the two young CBs.

So Reeves is here this season as insurance, if Molden does not progress and/or Dunta does not make it back, only then will Reeves be here next season.

NBT · #42 07-14-2008, 04:05 PM

So if Reeves has a resurection, and Moulden is as good as we thought, and Dunta does come back good as new, we will have an embarrasment of CB riches. Ever thought about that?

cadams · #43 07-14-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

So if Reeves has a resurection, and Moulden is as good as we thought, and Dunta does come back good as new, we will have an embarrasment of CB riches. Ever thought about that?

i have dreamed of it. and it is a very good dream

Joshua · #44 07-14-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude

About Dunta...that was a terrible injury. Anyone that is counting on him ever regaining his original speed is deceiving themselves. Provided he does come all the way back (minus the former super speed) he is still great in run support and screwing with the receivers at the line.

About Reeves...don't be shocked if this is his last year with the Texans.

To me, these two statements seem to be somewhat contradictory. If Dunta comes back as only a shell of his former self, I would think that this would virtually guarantee a spot for Reeves.

coloradodude · #45 07-14-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

Think about it. Bennett and if the preseason press is correct, Molden should be the starters at some point this season. Dunta would only be expected to be a nickle back if his injury has slowed him, other wise he is pushing the two young CBs.

So Reeves is here this season as insurance, if Molden does not progress and/or Dunta does not make it back, only then will Reeves be here next season.

Seriously, I wasn't trying to bring anyone down. Dunta's injury is a bad one which causes speed to evaporate. Granted there have been major advances in the medical field so anything's possible. Dunta has heart in my book, it just may take another season of work to get back his speed. But honestly, 4.3 speed is gonna be a memory. 4.40 or 4.45 is more realistic. But that ain't bad considering his ability to jam at the line and run support. Just watch how well his fantastic technique gets even better. Remember Rod Woodson after his injury? Slower but more dangerous.

But on the bright side, our front office has done some positive actions on its own in the drafts. Bennett and Moulden are young and will get tested but if they live up to their tangibles and learn the technicals of the position, we could all be satisfied. I know I for one love the competition at CB.

Reeves will do alright but he has proven one thing...you need a safety behind him. As painekiller brought out, he's insurance, not the answer.

painekiller · #46 07-15-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NBT

So if Reeves has a resurection, and Moulden is as good as we thought, and Dunta does come back good as new, we will have an embarrasment of CB riches. Ever thought about that?

Every day, and as cadams said, it's sweet.

KJ3 · #47 07-15-2008, 07:30 AM

when has running in a straight line really fast with no pads on ever mattered on a football field? it's not even his straight line speed that we should be worried about, it's his quickness from 0 to max speed. if his acceleration is suffering that's when recievers are gonna be able to create a little more space for the catch. if he's able to regain his burst he'll pretty much be the same player....as long as he can still hit like dunta!

bennett...man...i don't know what to say about him. he looks like he's all ready for a 10 int year and bursting onto the scene and all that...but at the same time it's his 2nd year blablabla...just go fred, go!

i hope molden is able to contribute, i know we gave reeves a boatload of money but i would rather see this guy progressing and doing well than reeves trying to prove it was dallas, not him.

edo783 · #48 07-15-2008, 08:28 AM

If Reeves is just insurance, the team needs to get a different insurance agent, because that is some high priced stuff. IMO, I don't think they see him that way. I look for him to play 3-4 years for us and then probably Mouldon steps in. If Mouldon beats him out that will be great, but expensive.

cadams · #49 07-15-2008, 08:35 AM

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

papabear · #50 07-15-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cadams

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

That's kinda the way I understood it as well....we could cut him relatively pain free after one year, or if he plays well he gets his 20 million....again not that outrageous for a CB.

painekiller · #51 07-15-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cadams

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

Keith had this to say on 4/26/08

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Reeves signed a 5-year contract that included a $4 million signing bonus ($4MM / 5 yr = $800k/yr prorate). He also got an addition $2 million as a roster bonus on this year's cap, which is the reason why cutting him after this year or next would be less painful... that extra $2MM won't need to be spread over future years.

2008: $1MM base, $800k prorate, $2MM roster = $3.8MM cap hit

So getting rid of Reeves after just one year would mean ($800k * 4 years) $3.2 million in dead money. If taken as a June 1, 2009 cut, that would mean $800k on the 2009 cap and $2.4 million on the 2010 cap.

They structured the contract so Reeves could be a one year rental, or a long term answer. This is not Rasputin's team anymore.

Joshua · #52 07-15-2008, 09:21 AM

For what it's worth --

"Antwaun Molden could also see playing time early. Last season, the coaches eased cornerback Fred Bennett into the defense, but Molden is already ahead of where Bennett was at this time last year. Molden has very good technique and is a bigger cornerback, who will complement Bennett well on the field."

http://ind.scout.com/a.z?s=113&p=2&c=769287

KJ3 · #53 07-15-2008, 10:47 AM

so let me make sure i understand this. reeves is going to make about 3.8 mil, right? what he did to get that much?

so we gave him a boat load of money, we are just bringing it in on 5 different boats?

papabear · #54 07-15-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KJ3

so let me make sure i understand this. reeves is going to make about 3.8 mil, right? what he did to get that much?

so we gave him a boat load of money, we are just bringing it in on 5 different boats?

I think the franchise tag for CB's was something like 9 million....so he's not getting paid like a top five corner. Is he getting more than he deserves? Yep, but so does just about any free agent under thirty with some skill. If he doesn't work out he guts cut after this year. 800k in 2009 and 2.4 in 2010 against the cap....not a big deal in the grand scheme of things for NFL salary cap.

McNair might not like spending six million or so on a guy who was only here one year and didn't play well, but that only affects his pocketbook....not the cap situation down the road.

Bigtinylittle · #55 07-15-2008, 11:26 AM

It is pretty easy to see what he did to get that money. Last year the Texans overpaid Black by quite a bit. That's because they had a desperate need for backup help at LT. They could have gone with someone else at backup LT who was already on the team, such as Frye. They chose to go with someone who had a proven track record of several less than stellar years starting in the NFL, and not go with a total unknown. LT is a position which demands lots of dollars, even for mediocre play. So Black was overpaid by quite a bit. The Texans were buying insurance. Now that they have brown, Black is no longer needed and he was cut.

The situation at CB is almost identical. They are buying insurance. That's the way they operate If they could have bought somebody they thought was better for less money, they would have. Is Reeves being overpaid by a lot? I imagine he is, though time will tell. Could the Texans have gone with the untried Molden and saved a lot of money? Yes, but that's not the way Kubiak operates. Will Molden beat out Reeves early in the season and show that we had unnecessary insurance? Perhaps.

But ask yourself this question: are the Texans sorry they bought insurance at LT last year? I doubt it. And if Molden turns out to be a stud, I doubt that the Texans will be sorry they gave Reeves the contract they gave him. It's an insurance policy.

cadams · #56 07-15-2008, 12:36 PM

as crazy as this sounds, 3.8 million for an average starting cb isnt really overpain in the nfl these days

coloradodude · #57 07-15-2008, 02:08 PM

I can tell you guys that I'm not upset at all for the signing of Reeves. But we better have some responsible safeties on the field. Not just for him but for Bennett and Moulden as well.

Go back to Koobs history with the 49er's and the Broncos. You can name the safeties. I look forward to the safeties presence being felt in games soon. He knows and understands their role so count on that position sending someone to the PB this year or next...imo.

cadams · #58 07-15-2008, 03:44 PM

if the moves work out that we made this year, i fully expect we will go after a quality safety in next year's draft or free agency

painekiller · #59 07-15-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cadams

if the moves work out that we made this year, i fully expect we will go after a quality safety in next year's draft or free agency

Here's is my early guy to watch. William Moore #1 Mizzou. FS speed and range with SS size and hitting ability. What a piece to add to our defense. Oh dreams....

KJ3 · #60 07-16-2008, 07:22 AM

6'1'' 225 4.47 speed. that's pretty good tangibles for a safety to go with the couple of devastating hits (and int ability) on that video! dreams indeed!

i'm not trying to get down on the signing and beat up on reeves but you know a signing could've been better when the two ways it can turn out for the better are 1) if the guy actually plays well or 2) a rookie beats him out.