Case Keenum: Career Backup or Something More? - Page 3

nunusguy · #41 12-03-2013, 09:33 AM

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Ya know, Andrew Luck is in his second year and not exactly setting the world on fire......Statistically, he's Joe Average..... The "next Peyton Manning" has more work to do.... However, I think most people agree that watching him play, one can see he has a very good "toolkit"....

I'd sure like to have Luck on the Texans, but I honestly think I'd rather have Wilson even at the same money as Luck. A couple weeks ago in the Seahawks game vs St Louis, Wilson made a play that was utterly amazing. He flipped a practically perfect pass into the EZ for a TD while on a dead sprint from about 30 yards out. Underhanded ! The kid is truly an amazing athletic talent and has all of the intangibles to go along with it !

Nconroe · #42 12-03-2013, 05:54 PM

If we lose Thursday do we take a look at TJ Yates?

chuck · #43 12-03-2013, 06:03 PM

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If we lose Thursday do we take a look at TJ Yates?

See if he can kick? Sure, why not?

barrett · #44 12-03-2013, 08:32 PM

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If we lose Thursday do we take a look at TJ Yates?

What would you be looking at him for?

Keith · #45 12-04-2013, 02:17 PM

Another view from the outside on Keenum's potential (part of an article on 'mystery QBs' like McGloin and Tolzien for comparison).

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To simplify final evaluations, I modified the Bang-Marry-Kill holistic scoring rubric (the most influential evaluative tool of the 21st century) into the Backup-Maybe-KO system. Backup means that he has proven that he can be a second-string NFL quarterback for a good team; that's a promotion for many of these guys. Maybe means he could still develop into a starter. KO means please, please, please get this guy an offensive coordinator job at some FCS college before we are forced to watch him throw again.
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Summary: Keenum is a "slow clock" quarterback whose best and worst decisions occur late in the play, when pass routes have developed and the pocket is collapsing. For every downfield throw on the run or rollout bomb to Andre Johnson, there are several plays where Keenum takes a sack, gets hurried, or delivers a throw that should have arrived a split-second sooner.

The Texans' play-action style suits Keenum because it is full of seven-step drops, rollouts and slow-developing pass routes. It is not clear whether that will be the Texans offensive style next year, or how well Keenum would adapt to more of a read-plant-throw system (though he put up big numbers in a quick-trigger system in college). Like many small "pesky pepperpot" quarterbacks, Keenum can be effective in short doses, but low completion rates (54.2 percent) and waning big-play capability in recent games may be signs that the league is figuring him out.

Decision: Maybe. Keenum can definitely stick as a 10-year backup, but there may be more to him than that. He does enough well, and has enough upside, to merit starter consideration.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64365140/

Arky · #46 12-04-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith

Another view from the outside on Keenum's potential (part of an article on 'mystery QBs' like McGloin and Tolzien for comparison).

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64365140/

Very good. That's pretty much the way I see it. If Keenum has a strong adaption gene, he can be a starter.

And Nick Foles is an alien. How else do you explain a QB that doesn't have bad games?

barrett · #47 12-05-2013, 04:05 PM

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Very good. That's pretty much the way I see it. If Keenum has a strong adaption gene, he can be a starter.

And Nick Foles is an alien. How else do you explain a QB that doesn't have bad games?

Against Dallas he had an 11/29 for 80 yards day and lost his starting job. I'd say that's a bad game.

Arky · #48 12-05-2013, 04:31 PM

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Against Dallas he had an 11/29 for 80 yards day and lost his starting job. I'd say that's a bad game.

Man, got to get up pret-ty early in the morning to slip one by ol' barrett....

Actually, I was looking at his 19 TD's and 0 INT"s. That's just crazy.... And I do believe he's been named the starter for the rest of the year....

popanot · #49 12-05-2013, 08:58 PM

I think we have our answer on Case. He'll be a decent stop-gap starter, and if he's lucky, a career backup that makes a nice living injury and stress-free.

Keith · #50 12-06-2013, 12:34 AM

If the 2014 starting QB is already on this roster, then the 2014 season is already a total waste.

In this 2nd Jags game, Case showed us why he is nothing more than a backup, and Schaub showed us why he was demoted.

As for inserting T.J.:

...Tom Cruise says it best... sometimes you just gotta say WTF. Looks like T.J. Yates.

Arky · #51 12-06-2013, 02:56 AM

Yeah, not a good showing by Case vs. Jax. Not pitiful but he's seems to run into a wall at times... not really encouraging.

Strange because he had a pretty good showing against New England. I'd still prefer he get the remainder of the starts over the other two..... And if he struggles again, bring in one of the others as a relief pitcher...

cadams · #52 12-06-2013, 09:33 AM

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Yeah, not a good showing by Case vs. Jax. Not pitiful but he's seems to run into a wall at times... not really encouraging.

Strange because he had a pretty good showing against New England. I'd still prefer he get the remainder of the starts over the other two..... And if he struggles again, bring in one of the others as a relief pitcher...

i think they should let andre play qb the rest of the year. that would at least give us something interesting to watch

HPF Bob · #53 12-06-2013, 09:37 AM

Keenum isn't accurate enough at this level and still indecisive at times. Part of that is inexperience but some of it has to be the player itself. Schaub came in and his knowledge of the offense allowed them to go hurry-up to get back in it but then ended the night with a pick and a sack.

Interesting how different the offense is with these two QBs. With Schaub, it's all five-yard crossing routes (even when we need 10-15 for a first down). With Keenum, it's more ad-libbed and less timing.

I still think I'd rather take Clowney or Matthews at 1-1 then take a QB to develop in Round 2. There's nothing wrong with keeping Schaub or Case and letting the development QB ease his way into the pros instead of being "the guy" in Week 1.

barrett · #54 12-06-2013, 10:41 AM

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Keenum isn't accurate enough at this level and still indecisive at times. Part of that is inexperience but some of it has to be the player itself. Schaub came in and his knowledge of the offense allowed them to go hurry-up to get back in it but then ended the night with a pick and a sack.

Interesting how different the offense is with these two QBs. With Schaub, it's all five-yard crossing routes (even when we need 10-15 for a first down). With Keenum, it's more ad-libbed and less timing.

I still think I'd rather take Clowney or Matthews at 1-1 then take a QB to develop in Round 2. There's nothing wrong with keeping Schaub or Case and letting the development QB ease his way into the pros instead of being "the guy" in Week 1.

I agree Bob, I'd go Clowney over Matthews for sure, but I agree that I don't like any of the 1-1 QB options.

And I hope Case catches on somewhere like GB next year. I think he can play, but he is almost like a relief pitcher with one great pitch that gets knocked around if he goes through the order twice. He should be a spot starter and save the day in relief guy (Flutie). He struggles when you gameplan for him. Imagine him in GB this year savin gthe Packers season by winning 3 out of 4 when Rodgers goes down. Or having a Hostettler run to a superbowl. I think that is the ceiling for him.

barrett · #55 12-06-2013, 10:44 AM

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Man, got to get up pret-ty early in the morning to slip one by ol' barrett....

Actually, I was looking at his 19 TD's and 0 INT"s. That's just crazy.... And I do believe he's been named the starter for the rest of the year....

I just remember watching that game and thinking how obvious it was to me that Foles was not an NFL QB. He was even worse than the numbers. By the end of the game he was concussed and Matt Barkley was throwing INTs. I thought he was done in Philly and Chip Kelly was an idiot who was being exposed by the NFL. I guess I could have been wrong...

Arky · #56 12-06-2013, 12:41 PM

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I just remember watching that game and thinking how obvious it was to me that Foles was not an NFL QB. He was even worse than the numbers. By the end of the game he was concussed and Matt Barkley was throwing INTs. I thought he was done in Philly and Chip Kelly was an idiot who was being exposed by the NFL. I guess I could have been wrong...

Eh, we're all fans - it's what we do. We bitch, complain, knee-jerk and whine. And it's a good thing we aren't in charge....

HPF Bob · #57 12-11-2013, 12:30 PM

Kirk Cousins is going to start for the Redskins this week while they sort out the whole Snyder/Shanny/RG3 mess.

Skins also do not have a #1 choice this year because they traded it to the Rams to draft RG3. Depending on what happens there, the Texans may have an interesting target should they not want to pick a QB with the overall top choice.

And if Shanny survives in Washington, could he be interested in Matt Schaub who is already familiar with the offense and played college ball at Virginia?

Wouldn't it be a nice, tidy package if we sent Schaub, this year's 2nd and next year's 1st for RG3 or Schaub and this year's 2nd for Cousins?

WMH · #58 12-11-2013, 02:49 PM

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Kirk Cousins is going to start for the Redskins this week while they sort out the whole Snyder/Shanny/RG3 mess.

Skins also do not have a #1 choice this year because they traded it to the Rams to draft RG3. Depending on what happens there, the Texans may have an interesting target should they not want to pick a QB with the overall top choice.

And if Shanny survives in Washington, could he be interested in Matt Schaub who is already familiar with the offense and played college ball at Virginia?

Wouldn't it be a nice, tidy package if we sent Schaub, this year's 2nd and next year's 1st for RG3 or Schaub and this year's 2nd for Cousins?

Don't see the Redskins new coach allowing that to happen in his first year. I don't see Shannahan surviving that mess.

Nconroe · #59 12-12-2013, 09:02 PM

Cousins might be woth a second or third round pick only. Schaub for Cousins might be a big cap hit. I guess Shanahan and most of staff gone .

jaimeg · #60 12-13-2013, 03:36 PM

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I just remember watching that game and thinking how obvious it was to me that Foles was not an NFL QB. He was even worse than the numbers. By the end of the game he was concussed and Matt Barkley was throwing INTs. I thought he was done in Philly and Chip Kelly was an idiot who was being exposed by the NFL. I guess I could have been wrong...

We all seem to think it's obvious Case is not an NFL QB.

Maybe somebody should knock him over the head