2-2 and the next month. - Page 2

Roy P · #21 10-06-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Schaub and the running game must improve too.

Before we start thinking that Schaub is a hack.....take a look at the other AFC QBs.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

popanot · #22 10-07-2009, 07:26 AM

I think Schaub has been playing well so far. My big problem with him, and it seems like it's been this way since he came here, is his penchant for throwing an INT at the absolute worst possible moment - usually when we're in or close to the redzone. And it seems to happen on a weekly basis. Sometimes they overcome it, sometimes they don't.

Nconroe · #23 10-07-2009, 12:15 PM

I did a little stat checking at NFL.com. Schaub has thrown 3 INT's this year.

There are 16 teams with four or more INT's. Carolina with 8, Cleveland with 7.

Arizona along with 6 other teams has thrown 4 INTs.

Titans have 6, while Buffalo and Cincinnati who we play soon have 5 INTs.

The teams besides Texans at 3 include Colts, Miami, and San Diego, and Baltimore, so Schaub is in pretty good company there as far as QB's go.

San Francisco, another upcoming opponent has 1 and Denver has 0.

On fumbles, there are 10 teams with 4 or more fumbles lost.

The Texans and 7 other teams have lost 3 fumbles.

Arizona has had 9 fumbles and lost 3. Texans have 7 fumbles and lost 3.

Arizona is -2 on turnovers and Texans are +1 on turnovers.

Arizona has averaged scoring 19 points a game and Texans 23.5 per game.

Don't know exactly what that means, but it shows Schaub is atleast in the top half of QB's for taking care of the ball, overall, better than many.

But, if those all come when we are about to score, I don't know for sure, it was against Oakland, it would be bad to take points off the board and maybe a win off the board. So, for sure, could be more careful.

Maybe this is a result of pressure by the other teams DL at these times.

Anyways, a good point on something to improve on is INTs and turnovers in the redzone, we have had fumbles down there as well, at just the wrong time, such as against the Jags.

Roy P · #24 10-07-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

My big problem with him is his penchant for throwing an INT at the absolute worst possible moment - usually when we're in or close to the redzone.

Is there ever a good time to throw an INT?

The reason I don't like anecdotal evidence is because of selection bias. Have you ever found your keys or the remote and then say, "why is it always in the last place I look?" The answer is because we stop looking for something once we find it.

I don't mean to sound condescending. In fact there has probably been a time when Schaub has thrown an interception in the redzone. To be fair, he's probably not the first or last to have that happen though.

NBT · #25 10-09-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

Before we start thinking that Schaub is a hack.....take a look at the other AFC QBs.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Not a hack, just immobile. When he has the time, he is one of the best.

popanot · #26 10-12-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by popanot

I think Schaub has been playing well so far. My big problem with him, and it seems like it's been this way since he came here, is his penchant for throwing an INT at the absolute worst possible moment - usually when we're in or close to the redzone. And it seems to happen on a weekly basis. Sometimes they overcome it, sometimes they don't.

See what I mean?

popanot · #27 10-12-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

Is there ever a good time to throw an INT?

Well I can say throwing a floating pick-six at the end of the game after your team has scratched and clawed their way back into it is definitly NOT a good time.

barrett · #28 10-12-2009, 12:20 PM

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We need to score early. We have yet to put up points on the opening drive I believe.

Scoring early lets us get the play action going offensively. It pushing opposing teams into a pass heavy offense that is easier to defend and lets our DL get after the QB. It helps hide our swiss cheese run defense. And it is a huge help in winning the turnover battle Roy just mentioned.

And it will be doubly important against teams like SF and BUF who struggle in the passing game but run it well. We must come out hot offensively in those games.

We continue to stink it up offensively early in games. We need to come out ready to play.

Roy P · #29 10-12-2009, 05:45 PM

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The best way to run the ball with this team is to make the defense play against the pass. Spreading out the defense with 4 recievers can keep the defense honest and not allow them to concentrate their defenders in the "box" so to speak. Hitting a couple of passes in the middle of the field with our pass-catching TEs will make it easier for Slaton to find a crease. I would be happy to see the two TEs in the slot on both sides. We could also use 3 WRs, and a TE in a single-back as well. I guess I'm suggesting we essentially eliminate the FB position, and be willing to use Casey in the backfield on occasion as an H-Back.

Note to Shan

I'll stick by the above assumption until proven wrong.

I found it interesting that many times during the game, Vonta was out wide at the beginning of a play only to "go into motion" back to where he should be in front of Slaton. Are they trying to fool somebody? Does this let Schaub see if the defense is playing Zone? Do we have a play that actually leaves our FB out wide?

NBT · #30 10-12-2009, 06:17 PM

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Not a hack, just immobile. When he has the time, he is one of the best.

What the heck, did I jinx the guy by praising him? He was throwing too high for too much of that Arizona game. Just when he seems to have settled down, he throws the quick six to Dominick-Cromartie.

Nconroe · #31 10-14-2009, 12:20 AM

Does anyone think we can still win the division? or how about a winning record within the division?

WMH · #32 10-14-2009, 08:29 AM

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Does anyone think we can still win the division? or how about a winning record within the division?

Division winner....that would be a toughy with the way Indy is playing right now. Anything can happen, injuries, etc, but after a quarter of the season, they look pretty good, even if they haven't played the greatest of teams. That game against the Fins was ridiculous. To have the ball for 15 minutes, FOR THE WHOLE GAME, and win? That is crazy.

Winning record within the division - Doable - Sweep the Titans, and steal one back from the Hags....maybe even steal one from Indy

Winning record overall - Doable

IMO - This is not a terrible team, that are just incredibly inconsistent. The defense is starting to shape up, and the offense (as long as we are 20 yards out) is pretty damn explosive.

Bottom line, we should by able to hang in with every team left on the schedule. Brain farts, missed assignments aside, we should end up OK.

That's what I THINK at least.....they have proved me wrong before.

nunusguy · #33 10-14-2009, 09:09 AM

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Does anyone think we can still win the division?

We're already 3 games behind the division leader, but it's still a real possiblity for us to win the division as long as we just sweep Peyton. Shouldn't be a problem, right ?

WMH · #34 10-14-2009, 09:24 AM

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We're already 3 games behind the division leader, but it's still a real possiblity for us to win the division as long as we just sweep Peyton. Shouldn't be a problem, right ?

Indy is 2-0 in division
We are 1-1.

Still a LONG shot, but we aren't 3 games back in the division....yet.

Arky · #35 10-14-2009, 11:35 AM

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Division winner....that would be a toughy with the way Indy is playing right now. Anything can happen, injuries, etc, but after a quarter of the season, they look pretty good, even if they haven't played the greatest of teams. That game against the Fins was ridiculous. To have the ball for 15 minutes, FOR THE WHOLE GAME, and win? That is crazy.

Winning record within the division - Doable - Sweep the Titans, and steal one back from the Hags....maybe even steal one from Indy

Winning record overall - Doable

IMO - This is not a terrible team, that are just incredibly inconsistent. The defense is starting to shape up, and the offense (as long as we are 20 yards out) is pretty damn explosive.

Bottom line, we should by able to hang in with every team left on the schedule. Brain farts, missed assignments aside, we should end up OK.

That's what I THINK at least.....they have proved me wrong before.

Yep, I agree with all of this. In fact, the division scenario you outline is a "must accomplish".

2-3 is not the end of the world.

To remain in the mix, they have to stay near .500 and at some point go on a mini-run (4-1, 5-2, etc...)..

NBT · #36 10-14-2009, 03:31 PM

Kubes needs to quit talking about the run and become more proactive. We have started slow every game, seems like, and have to play from behind. We need to get out in front and just go with it.

Big Texas · #37 10-14-2009, 05:21 PM

I agree. Lets come out firing for a change. I guarantee we will be in better position. Then when we get the lead, don't get the dive syndrome.

Speaking of running the ball. They think they are being so creative. Splitting Leach out wide then having him motion into the backfield. WHO IN THE HELL WERE YOU FOOLING? NOT JUST ONE TIME, BUT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE GAME, THEY DID THAT. I think it was the LSU/Florida game that I saw the same playcalling. So we are running a college offense now?

Kyle probably thinks that he is being creative, but because his lineman are so SORRY, the DLine is beating them off the snap. By then they can't even complete there pulls, stunts, and such...Dlineman are in the backfield blowing up the run.

Let's try some hard snaps or something.

Roy P · #38 10-14-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

Splitting Leach out wide then having him motion into the backfield. WHO IN THE HELL WERE YOU FOOLING? NOT JUST ONE TIME, BUT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE GAME, THEY DID THAT.

I mentioned this in another post. That is about the craziest thing I've seen an offense do. Maybe in game 15, they'll leave him out wide and throw him a SLUG-GO deep.nn

Roy P · #39 10-14-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nconroe

Does anyone think we can still win the division?

Am I the only one with Jim Mora Sr.'s voice going off in my head? "Playoffs?!?! Playoffs?!?!"

popanot · #40 10-16-2009, 12:51 PM

We all know about the running game, but in the passing game, I find it incredible that Kubiak and lil'Shan haven't figured out a way to get the ball to Slaton or JJ in open space more often. Especially considering the attention AJ gets. Those two guys are our most deadliest weapons in the open field so it would stand to reason you would run a few clear-out plays and try to get one or both of them a few touches a game where they have room to roam. I know JJ's not best "hands" WR on the team, but he's shown me he deserves a few touches and we all know what he can do when he has a chance to scan the field and run.