Marciano - Fired!!

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

He was asked a specific question about Lovie, and he answered that question. He's an obvious interview for several reasons, but he didn't do anything other than answer a question.

What are the several reasons?

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

What are the several reasons?

HC experience, NFL experience, couple of playoff trips, made it to the big game, etc. Regardless of what you or I may think, he's a qualified applicant. And I really hate to say this, but a minority candidate.

Not saying he'd be my choice, but can guess pretty confidently he'll be in the mix.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

HC experience, NFL experience, couple of playoff trips, made it to the big game, etc. Regardless of what you or I may think, he's a qualified applicant. And I really hate to say this, but a minority candidate.

Not saying he'd be my choice, but can guess pretty confidently he'll be in the mix.

I really don't mind him as an interview, but I like David Shaw much more as a candidate and as a rooney interview. I just can't get fired up about a defensive coach.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

I just can't get fired up about a defensive coach.

Parcells, Belichick ? You know, I was thinking those guys did OK in the NFL ? Didn't they both coach up in the northeast some where, around Beantown ?

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

Of course it's a no-win situation for McNair, his team is 2-11 and on an 11 game losing streak. It's always no win when you don't win. I am not asking for McNair to go anywhere. He is the owner. End of story. I saw plenty of negative comments about McNair in this thread but nothing close to "let's get rid of him." Nobody in this thread needs to realize anything about McNair not going anywhere.?

So, you just pile on suggesting he's a fan-pleasing, money-grubbing weasel pandering to the fans?

I'm suggesting being mad at McNair does doesn't do anybody any good. Smith/Kubiak/the players all can be replaced, obviously. The owner, that doesn't change - you're (anybody) wasting your time. If grousing about him or bad mouthing him makes you feel better go ahead and continue... I think he's a good man and wants a winner - he's way better than most owners. Not cheap, not a butthead, not an a-hole..... I see him as a kindly grandfather type whose only weakness is he spoils the grandkids (GM/coaches/players) too much. Some people call that "clueless".

McNair fires Kubiak and says Keenum needs to play and improve? Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?

I think McNair is like most of us and has had his fill of Matt Schaub. Keenum might not be the future but he's the most, er.....interesting... on the roster right now. If McNair says "losing to Jacksonville" twice was his motivation for the firing, I kinda believe that. I'm just not buying the kiss-and-makeup-with-the-fans line as the reason for the firing.....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

So, you just pile on suggesting he's a fan-pleasing, money-grubbing weasel pandering to the fans?

I'm suggesting being mad at McNair does doesn't do anybody any good. Smith/Kubiak/the players all can be replaced, obviously. The owner, that doesn't change - you're (anybody) wasting your time. If grousing about him or bad mouthing him makes you feel better go ahead and continue... I think he's a good man and wants a winner - he's way better than most owners. Not cheap, not a butthead, not an a-hole..... I see him as a kindly grandfather type whose only weakness is he spoils the grandkids (GM/coaches/players) too much. Some people call that "clueless".



I think McNair is like most of us and has had his fill of Matt Schaub. Keenum might not be the future but he's the most, er.....interesting... on the roster right now. If McNair says "losing to Jacksonville" twice was his motivation for the firing, I kinda believe that. I'm just not buying the kiss-and-makeup-with-the-fans line as the reason for the firing.....

I'm wasting everyone's time by whining about McNair? Wow. Just wow.

Aren't you the guy who just told me this week that you were responding on this site to "Case Bashers" FROM OTHER SITES, and you would do it as much as you wanted to. And now I am wasting your time by complaining about the owner who presided over this 2-11 mess?

I don't care if McNair is your actual grandfather or just a kindly old grandfather type. I don't care if he is a good man and wants a winner. I don't care if he's sick of Matt Schaub. I care if he hires good people, and he hasn't. He protected Marciano in the last changeover. He hired Kubiak.

He didn't fire an NFL head coach with a sub .500 career record and a 10 game losing streak, and then he did fire the same HC saying it was partly about not playing a QB who has never won an NFL game. Either he likes feeding a hometown hero to the fans because they are dumb enough to be distracted by him being "interesting" (present company included), or he really was just sick of Schaub and he has no business forming opinions on who should play QB for this team. It is no win for him.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

I'm wasting everyone's time by whining about McNair? Wow. Just wow.

Well, yeah. Because, ya know, you don't have any control of the situation except to come on a public forum and throw out some crackpot speculation... Portraying McNair as some conniving fleece-meister is just disingenuous as all get out......

Aren't you the guy who just told me this week that you were responding on this site to "Case Bashers" FROM OTHER SITES, and you would do it as much as you wanted to. And now I am wasting your time by complaining about the owner who presided over this 2-11 mess?

Exactly. McNair bashers and Case bashers are usually the same breed - from the same tribe.... Many times, one and the same. Over the top. People pretending like they know what goes on behind the scenes... They're in every forum. If you think the franchise stinks from top to bottom, why don't you find something other to do with your time? At present, I only see frustration and anger in your future.... If the Texans won a SuperBowl next year, people would be bitching about it taking too damn long....

I don't care if McNair is your actual grandfather or just a kindly old grandfather type. I don't care if he is a good man and wants a winner. I don't care if he's sick of Matt Schaub. I care if he hires good people, and he hasn't. He protected Marciano in the last changeover. He hired Kubiak.

High crimes, I tell ya....

He didn't fire an NFL head coach with a sub .500 career record and a 10 game losing streak, and then he did fire the same HC saying it was partly about not playing a QB who has never won an NFL game. Either he likes feeding a hometown hero to the fans because they are dumb enough to be distracted by him being "interesting" (present company included), or he really was just sick of Schaub and he has no business forming opinions on who should play QB for this team. It is no win for him.

The bolded is just speculation, opinion, just a tad venomous and I could not disagree more. We as fans are entitled to nothing. The owner and team owe us nothing. We support the team of our own free will. If they suck, they suck - can't do a damn thing about it except not patronize them. Some people get on a forum and whine about how them mean ol' Texans done did them wrong. I understand that. I can handle it to a certain point until people start making s**t up.

[HPF Bob]

The only point to housecleaning now is that it sends a message to the players and fans that what is happening is unacceptable. I think the decision was weeks ago but Thursday night's 14-penalty fiasco was too much to save face.

Schaub gives the Texans a slightly better chance to win now but Keenum needs as much OJT as possible. I think by putting in Schaub, Kubiak may have forced McNair's hand.

Marciano's firing is a bit more satisfying to me. We get way too many ST penalties and that's on the coaches. Letting Jacoby Jones and Trindon Holliday go is just icing on the cake.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Eh, we're all fans - it's what we do. We bitch, complain, knee-jerk and whine. And it's a good thing we aren't in charge....

So it's ok as long as it doesn't have anything to do with McNair because owners are off limits?

Originally Posted by Arky

Kubes still talking up his boy Matt Schaub post game last night.....


Keenum fans won't have to worry about Kubiak half-assing his development anymore. Kubiak did a few things with/to Keenum he would never do with Matt Schaub..... McNair sounded like a bit of a Keenum fan himself during the presser....

So you can bash Kubiak and Schaub and make up theories with no facts, like Kubiak is sabotaging Keenum, but I offer an opinion on McNair and it's unfair?

You are totally inconsistent in your arguments. Are we free will fans who need to shut up and take it or walk? Is it wrong to speculate and make things up or not?

The only consistent thing about you the last few weeks is that Keenum can do no wrong and anyone who falls short of worshipping the guy gets argued with.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The only point to housecleaning now is that it sends a message to the players and fans that what is happening is unacceptable. I think the decision was weeks ago but Thursday night's 14-penalty fiasco was too much to save face.

Schaub gives the Texans a slightly better chance to win now but Keenum needs as much OJT as possible. I think by putting in Schaub, Kubiak may have forced McNair's hand.

Marciano's firing is a bit more satisfying to me. We get way too many ST penalties and that's on the coaches. Letting Jacoby Jones and Trindon Holliday go is just icing on the cake.

I agree Bob, it's a message sent. I agree that the decision was made weeks ago, and I agree that putting Schaub back in was the final straw. You cannot expect the lame duck coach who has no future here to care about the future and that is why you get him out if it is play for the future time.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree Bob, it's a message sent. I agree that the decision was made weeks ago, and I agree that putting Schaub back in was the final straw. You cannot expect the lame duck coach who has no future here to care about the future and that is why you get him out if it is play for the future time.

I'd agree with this opinion on the reason and timing of the dismissals.

Even Kubes said a couple weeks back we need to start playing the younger guys more.

Of course desire to win is also there.

There are always pros and cons on opinions and decisions. Plenty theories on what went wrong this year.

Now, I seem to remember most here wanted to get rid of Jacoby and Trindon at the time. Of course other ST coavhes seemed to get more consistency, not sure if it was experience and maturity or coaching.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

I'd agree with this opinion on the reason and timing of the dismissals.

Even Kubes said a couple weeks back we need to start playing the younger guys more.

Of course desire to win is also there.

There are always pros and cons on opinions and decisions. Plenty theories on what went wrong this year.

Now, I seem to remember most here wanted to get rid of Jacoby and Trindon at the time. Of course other ST coavhes seemed to get more consistency, not sure if it was experience and maturity or coaching.

Jacoby went for the playoff fumble. He needed a fresh start and new fans.

I still wouldn't touch Holliday. They pull him everytime there is a big moment because they are afraid he won't catch it. How can you have a return specialist who gets pulled because he can't catch kicks? I am fine with Martin on Punts (it's kickoffs he's terrible at).

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

So it's ok as long as it doesn't have anything to do with McNair because owners are off limits?

No, owners are open to criticism. Just don't make stuff up.

So you can bash Kubiak and Schaub and make up theories with no facts, like Kubiak is sabotaging Keenum, but I offer an opinion on McNair and it's unfair?

I'd say Kubiak pulling Keenum twice can't be doing the young man's confidence any good. There's your fact. Out there on this internet thingy, there's quite a few people that have suspicions that Kubiak is/was hampering and half-assing Keenum's development.

You are totally inconsistent in your arguments. Are we free will fans who need to shut up and take it or walk? Is it wrong to speculate and make things up or not?

There are no rules. Speculate and opine all you want. Make things up and expect to be responded to.

The only consistent thing about you the last few weeks is that Keenum can do no wrong and anyone who falls short of worshipping the guy gets argued with.

Ah, but you don't point out when I've admitted Keenum has stunk it up. He looked pretty good against New England. Not so hot Thursday against Jax. I'd say he's done a decent job in about half his starts. The rest not so much. Not unexpected from a guy who was playing DB on the practice squad several weeks ago.

Ya know, responding to everything with an accusatory attitude don't make you right. I can handle a lot of bent, twisted ideas and innuendo when there is a kernel of truth involved. Something ringing totally false, not so much.

I think this is the part where we agree to disagree. Don't know about you, but I've got a lot better things to do...

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

Jacoby went for the playoff fumble. He needed a fresh start and new fans.

I still wouldn't touch Holliday. They pull him everytime there is a big moment because they are afraid he won't catch it. How can you have a return specialist who gets pulled because he can't catch kicks? I am fine with Martin on Punts (it's kickoffs he's terrible at).

According to McClain, Jacoby asked to be traded because the fans were so upset with him.

But yeah, both needed to go.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Out there on this internet thingy, there's quite a few people that have suspicions that Kubiak is/was hampering and half-assing Keenum's development.

If it's on the internet then it must be true.

But seriously, you say you are basing it on facts and not making things up like me. That facts show Kubiak is not helping Keenum and is working against him.

Facts would say Kubiak signing Keenum last year, praising him for 2 straight years, letting him compete for the backup job, jumping him ahead of Yates to start, giving him 6 consecutive starts even though he's never won a game, and grooming him from UDFA to starting QB show that Kubaik has greatly helped Keenum's development. Kubiak may be a below average HC (by definition, more wins than losses), but he has gotten better QB play compared to QB talent than most do. You said Keenum stunk it up in the Jags game, and yet when Kubiak pulled him for stinking it up, you think it is some kind of plot to ruin his development? And then you quote the existence of anonymous internet message board posts (from another message board), as proof you are right?

And then with a straight face you say I can complain but I'll be called on it when I make stuff up? Will you stop calling me on it if I said there are others on the internet (Chuck) that think it's true? By your backwards logic doesn't that mean it's a fact based theory and not one I made up?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

I can handle a lot of bent, twisted ideas and innuendo when there is a kernel of truth involved. Something ringing totally false, not so much.

You seriously don't think there is even a kernel of truth to the fact that McNair prefers Keenum on the field because fans like it?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Parcells, Belichick ? You know, I was thinking those guys did OK in the NFL ? Didn't they both coach up in the northeast some where, around Beantown ?

Those are great ones. If we could get one of those, I would be fired up.

But they say Bellachik sits in every QB meeting today and coaches them as much as any other position. Recent years have had mostly offensive coaches winning superbowls.

Maybe I just hope it's an offensive guy because that is the side of the ball that appears to most need fixing after watching the last 11 weeks. That and the knowledge the new coach will almost certainly have a rookie QB to groom.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

If it's on the internet then it must be true.

But seriously, you say you are basing it on facts and not making things up like me. That facts show Kubiak is not helping Keenum and is working against him.

Facts would say Kubiak signing Keenum last year, praising him for 2 straight years, letting him compete for the backup job, jumping him ahead of Yates to start, giving him 6 consecutive starts even though he's never won a game, and grooming him from UDFA to starting QB show that Kubaik has greatly helped Keenum's development. Kubiak may be a below average HC (by definition, more wins than losses), but he has gotten better QB play compared to QB talent than most do. You said Keenum stunk it up in the Jags game, and yet when Kubiak pulled him for stinking it up, you think it is some kind of plot to ruin his development? And then you quote the existence of anonymous internet message board posts (from another message board), as proof you are right?

And then with a straight face you say I can complain but I'll be called on it when I make stuff up? Will you stop calling me on it if I said there are others on the internet (Chuck) that think it's true? By your backwards logic doesn't that mean it's a fact based theory and not one I made up?

Too many questions. Waste. Of. Time.

But, hey, you got Chuck in your corner. lol

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

You seriously don't think there is even a kernel of truth to the fact that McNair prefers Keenum on the field because fans like it?

Seriously (I was wondering when this word would enter the conversation).

I think McNair likes Keenum himself and was disappointed when Matt "no future here" Schaub entered the game....

[Nconroe]

I'm getting a bowl of chili now, hot and spicy. I will check back in a few hours to see how this entertaining discussion is going.

I vote to keep McNair whatever theory one might have. I believe winning SB is his main motivation. Sure satisfied fans and making a profit are part of any business.