Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread

[Roy P]

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.

[Arky]

4th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Brandon Hogan DB Panthers 73
2 K.J. Wright OLB Seahawks 66
3 Da'Norris Searcy S Bills 54
4 Clint Boling OG Bengals 83
5 Jordan Cameron TE Browns 65
6 Sam Acho DE Cardinals 75
7 Luke Stocker TE Buccaneers 74
8 Roy Helu RB Redskins 56
9 Christian Ballard DT Vikings 78
10 Kris Durham WR Seahawks 44
11 Quinton Carter S Broncos 75
12 Colin McCarthy ILB Titans 72
13 David Arkin OG Cowboys 63
14 Edmond Gates WR Dolphins 77
15 Gregory Salas WR Rams 76
16 Chimdi Chekwa DB Raiders 65
17 Cecil Shorts WR Jaguars 65
18 Kendall Hunter RB 49ers 76
19 Casey Matthews ILB Eagles 64
20 James Brewer OT Giants 72
21 Jalil Brown DB Chiefs 74
22 Delone Carter RB Colts 64
23 Alex Henery PK Eagles 56
24 Christopher Prosinski S Jaguars 30
25 Chris Hairston OT Bills 67
26 Tandon Doss WR Ravens 80
27 Owen Marecic FB Browns 51
28 Taiwan Jones RB Raiders 75
29 Bilal Powell RB Jets 62
30 Rashad Carmichael DB Texans 61
31 Cortez Allen DB Steelers 51
32 Julius Thomas TE Broncos 52
33 Jamie Harper RB Titans 35
34 Davon House DB Packers 71

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Arky

I think some of these guys are going to see more time on special teams than on the defense, i.e. depth... Can't give up on a #1 (Kareem) so soon....

Oh I agree about Kareem and we also need ST players, but I can't help but think that the Wade-corps has by now seen the tape more than once on the Texans DBs and feel like they need a plan B.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

Popping positive at the Combine is a big no-no. "Character issues" have a way of devaluing a prospect. A few years ago I was very high on Carl Nicks and he got into a fight at a party after the Senior Bowl and he fell like a rock. I think the Saints ended up getting him in the 4th round. Nicks has been a very good LG and I'll be interested in seeing how well Houston plays for KC. If he stays out of trouble, I think he can be a force.

[Roy P]

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

[Arky]

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho

Has punt returner experience...

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by Arky

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho

Only a face a mother could love




Thought I would add this little blurb I found...

"The Texans find more help for a beleaguered secondary at pick 144 with Idaho S Shiloh Keo, who earned praise from Deion Sanders at the scouting combine for his ball skills and hustle."

[Roy P]

Okay the next need, in my opinion is at NT. Maybe we can develop Jerrell Powe or take a guy off my draft board from Notre Dame....Ian Williams.

[nunusguy]

Keo looks like Pollard-lite to me: big hitter but lacking the kind of foot-speed to cover which is a skill that Wade seems to want in his safetys, both of them. ST player supreme though and maybe DBackfield depth in a pinch.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

I have a problem when your FS and the 5-Technique Defensive end run the same 40.

[Roy P]

Might lack the athleticism to handle coverage responsibilities in the NFL. Is a tough defender, but isn't particularly instinctive and doesn't possess the fluidity and straight-line speed to mask his lack of awareness. Can lay the big hit on an unsuspecting ballcarrier, but to do so generally has to leave his feet and has a tendency to duck his head and rely on the collision to knock the ballcarrier to the ground, rather than wrapping his arms securely.

[Arky]

TJ Yates, QB, North Carolina? Umm, sounds like Kubes just took over the war room...lol

[Roy P]

We selected our back-up QB T.J. Yates. He is one of 'My Guys' so I don't have too much of a problem with this pick. I saw him play the Texas v. The Nation game in San Antonio and he should be a good developmental guy. Wondering why Kubiak rated him higher than Greg McElroy, though.

[painekiller]

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

I guess Smith Kubiak are back in charge. This appears to be early for this guy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates

Yates likely does not possess enough physical tools (arm, feet) to be considered a future starter but has a ton of experience in a pro-style offense and could find a home as a backup. At times, appears to be a confident decision-maker in the pocket, capable of efficiently managing his team but occasionally forces throws and is not comfortable dealing with pressure. Shows good accuracy and touch in the short passing game but is not as effective when asked to drive the ball downfield. Tough player who has dealt with adversity and become a better player. Day 3 prospect.

I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.