Dunta Watch 2009

[Keith]

Starting a new thread on Dunta. I'm just plain tired of the old one.

With the broken fibula to Jacques Reeves, how does this change your view of Robinson right now?

The Texans still cannot sign him long-term, but they can sweeten the F-tag with extra 2009 cash or a promise to not tag him in 2010. Worth it?

And even if they do, should/would Dunta accept now, or still wait until a week or so before the Week 1 opener? If I'm him, I'm wondering if I'm still doin' aight without any fractured bones myself, at least in August.

oh, and PFT posted this on Reeves/Robinson, including a little dig at McClain and the chron Sports desk...

That means the team has a greater need for Robinson, who has not yet signed a one-year franchise tender. (And we got a real kick out of this absurdly obvious pro-Texans/anti-player line from McClain's article: "Dunta Robinson, the franchise player who hasn't reported, could help the problem if he would sign his one-year tender and join his teammates.") ...

Reeves was replaced by Brice McCain, a sixth-round draft pick in 2009.

So, yeah, they'd be wise to get Robinson, who has no moral obligation to "sign his one-year tender and join his teammates," into camp.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...hears-a-crack/

[barrett]

I don't think you make any additional offers to get him into camp. I think if you do you have handed over all leverage by giving in to his needs and you can kiss him goodbye and the chance at any compensation should he leave.

I still say the 9.9 sits out there for him and it is his only option.

[bckey]

This doesn't change my view of Dunta one bit. If he continues to hold out and then sign a few days before the season starts I'll dislike him even more. Especially if Vic Carucci has a reliable league source that isn't John McClain. From his article about the Texans posted on NFL.com today:

Extra points
» The team's hierarchy isn't happy that Robinson is missing from camp, especially since, according to league sources, he has been offered a deal that would make him the NFL's second highest-paid player at his position. Robinson also is missing valuable work in Bush's new scheme.


If Dunta was offered a deal like Gamble with $23 million guaranteed then he either really thought he wouldn't be franchised and could just walk away or he isn't very smart when it comes to finances and self evaluation. I wouldn't contact him or even show any interest in him. The tag is there and he already knows it. Sign it or don't. I don't care anymore. If he really is set on leaving Houston then I would just assume we find a way to get rid of him.

[nunusguy]

In lieu of getting Robinson into camp soon this month so he can be ready to go Day 1 of the regular-season against the Jets, Smith/Kubiak are going to have to pull off a trade. I dunno, but I'm thinking starting rookie, seventh-round Draft pick Brice McCain agasint the jets is not an option they really want to be left with ? Especially since this is "the" season when the Texans need a strong early start with a favorable September schedule to have the franchises first winning/playoff season.
So they are gonna have to pull off a trade if they don't go no-tag with Robinson and let him fly away after 2009 without compensation. Jacobey Jones has got to be the most logical bait, or maybe even David Anderson given how strong they are at WR ? And then I'm not even sure if that would fetch them a descent reserver CB, given how important that position is ? I dunno, would they consider trading OD for a real NFL corner if given the opportunity ?

[Nconroe]

For Dunta, I'm with bckey. Texans made their more than fair offer, all the way in Dunta's court on next step. Texans play who is in camp, and it might be better anways, it is just an unknown to us right now. We'll know as preseason unfolds.

[cadams]

honestly, they are better with him than without him. golver appears to be doing well, but i hope they don't need him at anything more than nickle unless it is because he is playing so well they have to start him. as for dunta showing up, i really don't have a problem with him missing two a days, especially given the chance for injury. he is a vet, he knows what to do, if he is back for 2-3 of the preseason games then i think he will be fine.

[NBT]

It is pretty plain to me. Dunta has worn out his welcome here. If we are now down to 6th rnd pick Brice McCain, so be it!

[EndZoneSeats]

More and more I am beginning to hold this against Dunta. He's not quite worth the money that has been talked about -- whether he actually got the offers that have been reported I cannot say. However, by holding out this year when he's clearly going to be well paid in 2009, and the Texans are playing by the rules, is bad form.

If he shows up two days before the first game and is not in playing shape or up to speed, my disappointment in Dunta will edge closer to anger.

[barrett]

I'm just not sure what Dunta is doing here.

If he is fully recovered from the injury I would think he would simply play the year in Top form so he can be paid huge next year. The current tactic only hurts his value when he eventually hits the market and discourages teams from trading for him.

If he is not recovered fully, then he would have taken the long term deal he was offered and ran with it. All that makes sense here is that he was %100 convinced the Texans would cave.

Now that no new deal can be reached, all he could be angling for is a promise of no tag next year. But at what cost? If he gets the promise of no tag next year but misses most of camp and has a bad start as a result, he's cost himself millions by not having the best season he can have.

My guess is he signs the offer early enough to start 16 games. Otherwise he is cutting into next year's payday by sacrificing this year's performance. I just hope the Reeves injury doesn't convince him that the Texans are that much closer to giving in.

[barrett]

So is Solomon Dunta's new agent? He actually wrote two different, full length articles in the same day that both say the same thing. Dunta is still a good guy and the Texans should agree to not tag him again next year.

I understand an opinion piece on this from a sports writer, but he wrote two, literally in the same day. He even has lines in one he used in the other. Do they not have an editor at the chronicle to catch that sort of thing. Maybe tell him to delay one by a week.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6565222.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6564888.html

In both articles his main argument is that the Patriots and Titans once had franchise players and agreed to not tagging them again, so the Texans should too. Nowhere does he mention that the Patriots and the rest of the league had dozens of other franchise players who were tagged and given no promise. I mean just a few months ago the Pats tagged Matt Cassell with no promise of year 2 freedom. Karlos Dansby was tagged for the 2nd straight year and is in camp right now. In all 14 players were tagged and only Dunta is not in camp. That didn't make either article though. Just how the Texans are being cruel and that just because they have a weapon, they should be careful in "how they use that hammer."

[gunslinger57]

I'm still trying to figure out why Dunta and Jerome seem to think the Texans should hamstring themselves next off-season with the possibility of losing their best DB with absolutely no compensation. THAT'S bad business, not making Dunta play for "only" $9.9 million for the year.

Besides that, if the rumors were true, didn't the Texans make a fair market value offer that Robinson turned down? He would have been a top 3 or 4 paid CB (again, if true) and everyone would have been happy. Instead, he turns it down and holds out despite coming off a severe injury and needs all the reps he can get. I don't have much sympathy for the player in this case.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

I'm still trying to figure out why Dunta and Jerome seem to think the Texans should hamstring themselves next off-season with the possibility of losing their best DB with absolutely no compensation. THAT'S bad business, not making Dunta play for "only" $9.9 million for the year.

Besides that, if the rumors were true, didn't the Texans make a fair market value offer that Robinson turned down? He would have been a top 3 or 4 paid CB (again, if true) and everyone would have been happy. Instead, he turns it down and holds out despite coming off a severe injury and needs all the reps he can get. I don't have much sympathy for the player in this case.

That they did.......and that is the major reason I have turned against Dunta.