[Split Thread] What to Do About Posey?

[Nconroe]

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

The players association rejected that proposed rule change today. They also rejected pushing the trade deadline back 2 weeks.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Posey not playing speaks volumes on him not being as ready as Jean and Martin. I think he'll be kept based on talent he shows in practice and that got him drafted. He still has to win 5th WR spot, but it doesn't look like he has much competition. I don't think Rick Smith lets his ego get in the way too much.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Stupidity and maybe hubris. Apparently they thought they had the perceptive skills to see something that nobody else could ? This guy is clearly a
cut that should be made right now, but the Texans won't pull the trigger now because of the investment made in him in the form of the third-round pick.

[barrett]

Unless you guys bashed the pick when it was made I don't get why you are so bothered now. It was a project pick from the start. From the start it was clear that Posey wasn't contributing anytime soon. He has limited football experience and a long layoff. The Texans obviously thought he was worth the risk and they are likely evaluating him with a different eye than if they expected him to immediately contribute. Our #4 WR does not even play in this offense. I don't even know if our #5 was active every week last season. Whoever is the #5 will be the 8th best option in the passing game at best.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

Unless you guys bashed the pick when it was made I don't get why you are so bothered now.

Considering who was on the board, and the Texans' needs; I would have liked them to draft OT Bobbie Massie. But, then again, he lasted until the 4th round when the Cardinals drafted him. So, who knows? I believed Massie would be an upgrade over Butler or Newton.

[Joshua]

I guess I'm a little perplexed by the Posey hatred as well. Like Barrett said, I think everyone knew this guy was going to be something of a project. Plus, we're talking about 3 preseason games. If he had went out there and made a handful of catches (let's say he had caught 6 balls for 41 yards over the 3 games), would that have made some big difference in y'all's minds?

[HPF Bob]

There were a ton of WRs that had 3-4 round projections and, yes, I was surprised that they went with Posey since the Texans typically look for boy scouts without suspensions and other character issues.

After Posey was taken, the following WRs were selected:
69. T.J. Graham, NC State
83. Mohammed Sanu, Rutgers (some had us taking him in the 1st)
92. T.Y. Hilton, Florida Int'l
96. Chris Givens, Wake Forest
100. Travis Benjamin, Miami
104. Joe Adams, Arkansas
107. Devon Wylie, Fresno St.
118. Jarius Wright, Arkansas
123. Keshawn Martin, Michigan St. (by the Texans)
124. Nick Toon, Wisconsin
134. Greg Childs, Arkansas

My point being that even without considering other positions (and clearly the Texans were overdue to take a WR by this point in the draft), they had other options besides Posey and particularly so if they felt they wanted somebody who wouldn't take additional time to develop. I would have been happy with Sanu, Adams or Toon - all of which had been ranked much higher in a lot of mocks. Sanu already has a TD catch this preseason.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I guess I'm a little perplexed by the Posey hatred as well. Like Barrett said, I think everyone knew this guy was going to be something of a project. Plus, we're talking about 3 preseason games. If he had went out there and made a handful of catches (let's say he had caught 6 balls for 41 yards over the 3 games), would that have made some big difference in y'all's minds?

Probably. At least he would have shown us something. I don't hate Posey. I just don't think he currently deserves an active roster spot and should go on the PS where he can get all the reps and time he needs to develop. And again, IMO, if there's a team out there that puts in a claim for him, I don't think we'd miss him in the least. Some obviously think otherwise.

[Nconroe]

Maybe we will get a good look at several guys who are debateable for 53 man roster this Thursday game, if they aren't injured and still here anyhow.

Seems I remember some type of expected success across NFL like 35% for draftees after second round?

And something about it takes three years to evaluate a draft.

[popanot]

According to Kubiak's presser, Posey is going to play a lot this last preseason game so hopefully we'll finally get a good look at him and he'll show something. Of course, he'll be playing with and against 3rd/4th string players so it might not be a good indication of his skills, but I just want to see SOMETHING that makes me believe he can turn into a decent WR. Josh Gordon didn't play or practice football at all last year (Posey still practiced and played in ~3 games at OSU), but at least Gordon has shown something - if not potential #1 WR skills.

[popanot]

Thanks, Keith! I was going to post the question asking if it would be possible to split the thread because I knew that old 49er thread was an odd place for the conversation but I didn't want to create work for you.

[Keith]

No problem. I was too lazy to do it any earlier.

[popanot]

Well looky there, it's a Posey sighting!!! Yay!!!

[barrett]

I'm glad we gave him a full month before cutting him. He appears he might just have nfl talent after all.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

I'm glad we gave him a full month before cutting him. He appears he might just have nfl talent after all.

Figured you chime in. Maybe they'll size him up for that HOF jacket at halftime based on one play in the last scrub preseason game. And BTW, I never said cut him. I said he doesn't deserve a regular season roster spot and should be put on the PS (and, yes, I know the ramifications). Yes, he FINALLY showed something! That's what I've been waiting for. However, one catch doesn't change my opinion. Hopefully he continues to show something and turns into a decent player.

[popanot]

Holliday appears to be proving a lot of us wrong. Maybe Posey will too. We can only hope.

[barrett]

I never once said he was good. I said it was dumb to judge based on 3 preseason games he barely played.

Foster was so immature he wrecked his last year of college football and then needed almost a year of kubiak kicking his butt before he woke up. Posey could be the same but his draft status means we can't hide him on the PS.

Since our 5th wr never plays and we have 8 inactives every week, I am ok if they want to keep him on the 53 based on what they have seen (and I don't have access to %10 of what they see).

This front office has earned enough of my trust that they can fritter away a pick and a roster spot in a risk/reward situation.

[WMH]

It was a helluva catch and run.

I'd still red shirt him.......

Seemed to have worked well for Jean.