Trade for Haynesworth?

[Joshua]

I would absolutely consider trading for him. I'm also curious about some of the concerns expressed about him as they just don't jive with my memory. First, he was most definitely not a one season wonder. He has been one of the best DTs in the league for several years. As for being a cancer, as I recall, Haynesworth was ticked when he was franchised by the Titans and wanted a new longterm deal instead. Hardly an unusual situation and one you see pretty regularly. I don't recall any locker room problems with him. If we're going to cross off every player who's pissed about being franchised, that is going to make for a pretty long list. Further, as the rumors go, Tennessee is one of the teams interested. No one knows him better than Fisher and if Fisher wants him back, that tells me everything I need to know. However, I will agree that he is somewhat injury prone and will likely miss 2-6 games a year. I would take that tradeoff though.

[NBT]

What about that supposed $100M contract Albert signed with the Redskins last year? We don't want nothing to do with that!

[HPF Bob]

Have people forgotten the head-stomping incident that got Haynesworth suspended?

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Have people forgotten the head-stomping incident that got Haynesworth suspended?

Haven't forgotten. But it has been several years. It was one incident in the heat of the moment. He appeared fairly contrite afterward, did not appeal his suspension and personnally apologized to Gurode. While I can certainly understand if people would write him off over this, I wouldn't.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by NBT

What about that supposed $100M contract Albert signed with the Redskins last year? We don't want nothing to do with that!

The Redskins have already paid him about 1/3 of that: Signing bonus. If the Redskins trade him away, all of that salary cap money counts against their cap (though there isn't one this year- thus, the reason they would dump him now)... So, the Texans would be on the hook for each year's base salary and that's it... Also, it means the Texans could cut him at any time without suffering a cap hit from the prorated signing bonus. Very low risk move.

That being said, NO THANK YOU!

[barrett]

First, I doubt he goes anywhere without a new deal. Good NFL players simple do not play without gauranteed money on their deal. I am sure it won't be a request like the 100$ million from the skins, but I bet wherever he lands, it is with an extension.

Second, you ask whether he can still play, at what level, and you give him an extremely thorough physical. He appeared out of shape and disinterested last season.

Third, you consider whether he would be the biggest voice in the lockerroom. If he would be, it's a big problem. He has undeniably had attitude and work ethic issues. He has never been in great shape and he plays a low % of snaps for a starting DT. With all that said, he was the best interior lineman of the last 10 years his last two seasons in Tennessee.

If all these questions line up favorably then I would not hesitate for a moment in spending a 2nd round pick and then some on him.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

So, the Texans would be on the hook for each year's base salary and that's it... Also, it means the Texans could cut him at any time without suffering a cap hit from the prorated signing bonus. Very low risk move.

He's expensive, but really not more so than Robinson and we wouldn't be paying him more annually than we did him in 2009 (or this year had we tagged him again), right ? If DM is right, just a year at a time.
And Fat Albert may be a horses-azz at times and lazy at times, but he's not a gangster, a guy who carriers a gun and hangs out with the wrong crowd. Fact is no off field problems as I recall ?
And what a talent ! Man he could "potentially" be so valuable to us. There's certainly a significant downside here, but there's a lot of potential here to.
But admittedly it would be a crap-shoot taking him on, and a 2nd-round pick is no small sum to get in the game.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Have people forgotten the head-stomping incident that got Haynesworth suspended?

It helps if you picture him in a Texans Jersey with Vince Young playing the part of Gurode.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

He's expensive, but really not more so than Robinson and we wouldn't be paying him more annually than we did him in 2009 (or this year had we tagged him again), right ? If DM is right, just a year at a time.
And Fat Albert may be a horses-azz at times and lazy at times, but he's not a gangster, a guy who carriers a gun and hangs out with the wrong crowd. Fact is no off field problems as I recall ?
And what a talent ! Man he could "potentially" be so valuable to us. There's certainly a significant downside here, but there's a lot of potential here to.
But admittedly it would be a crap-shoot taking him on, and a 2nd-round pick is no small sum to get in the game.

Reminds me of an Archie Bunker line when he responds to his daughter about how many people die from being shot by guns:

"Would you feel better, little girl, if they were pushed out of windows?"

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Joe Joe

It helps if you picture him in a Texans Jersey with Vince Young playing the part of Gurode.

Wow! that does help..

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Wow! that does help..

Btw...that was just a joke to give a moment of enjoyment for the Vince Young haters if there are any on this board. I do not endorse the stomping that occured and I am actually a fan of Vince Young dispite his being on the <spit>Oilers</spit>.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I would absolutely consider trading for him. I'm also curious about some of the concerns expressed about him as they just don't jive with my memory. First, he was most definitely not a one season wonder. He has been one of the best DTs in the league for several years. As for being a cancer, as I recall, Haynesworth was ticked when he was franchised by the Titans and wanted a new longterm deal instead. Hardly an unusual situation and one you see pretty regularly. I don't recall any locker room problems with him. If we're going to cross off every player who's pissed about being franchised, that is going to make for a pretty long list. Further, as the rumors go, Tennessee is one of the teams interested. No one knows him better than Fisher and if Fisher wants him back, that tells me everything I need to know. However, I will agree that he is somewhat injury prone and will likely miss 2-6 games a year. I would take that tradeoff though.

He played 3 years in a row with a contract that was expiring or as a the franchise tag player, so all the years as a stud were in "contract years" so he was playing for a long term deal. He finally got it and did not play last year.

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by painekiller

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

Saturday is between him and the coach, I care about Sunday.

The best DT43 in the NFL is not going to come cheap, but if you want to win it will cost you. Look at what the Titans did last year without him. They went from a contender to also ran.

I would like to get him period and, BTW it ain't my money. If it improves the teams I am all for it.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by kRocket

Saturday is between him and the coach, I care about Sunday.

The best DT43 in the NFL is not going to come cheap, but if you want to win it will cost you. Look at what the Titans did last year without him. They went from a contender to also ran.

I would like to get him period and, BTW it ain't my money. If it improves the teams I am all for it.

The guy was given over $30 million one year ago and he's already holding out! You want that guy on your team?!

[HPF Bob]

According to this story, the Redskins are not just shopping Haynesworth but also Laron Landry and Andre Carter.

Landry I would scoop up if it didn't cost our first. He solves a major hole, is still young, would tandem well with Pollard because he covers well and frees us up to fill other needs in the first round.

[Nconroe]

Haynesworth is obviously not a team first guy. nuff said. leave him alone. If he shows he can be a team player, quit holding out, gets over his injuries and into shape, consider him next year maybe.

why would Washington want to get rid of Landry?

[kRocket]

He is no choir boy but, the Redskins changed schemes on him, he is NOT holding out for money or playing time. He just doesn't want to play NT in a 34 defense. Jeez, give him a break. He would immediately make our defense better and that is what football is all about.

I guess I just don't see life the way some of you guys do.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by painekiller

He played 3 years in a row with a contract that was expiring or as a the franchise tag player, so all the years as a stud were in "contract years" so he was playing for a long term deal. He finally got it and did not play last year.

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

You are right about his contract issue, but no matter how you slice it, he has been one of the best DTs in the league for most of his career. Do you disagree with this? Last year, he did have a somewhat down year, but it wasn't a horrible year and he was on a terribly disfunctional team. Lots of guys have off years, particularly when their team is going nowhere. Now, if I had my way, I would want a guy with Haynesworth ability who gives 110% all the time and feeds the homeless on his days off. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anyone trying to trade that guy and our attempts to draft that guy hasn't gone so well either. So, warts and all, I'll take Haynesworth.

As for the contract, according to the posts upthread, it is very reasonable for the next 3 years. Getting one of the best DTs in the league, even if only for 3 years, is worth it. At some point, the future has to become the present. Do you think this team is built to compete for a Super Bowl for the next 3 years? If not, let me know now so I can finally get off this ride. If so, would Haynesworth dramatically improve that possibility? I don't see how anyone could conclude otherwise. I'm sick of "our time" always being just over the horizon. For once, try and get over the hump.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by Joshua

You are right about his contract issue, but no matter how you slice it, he has been one of the best DTs in the league for most of his career. Do you disagree with this? Last year, he did have a somewhat down year, but it wasn't a horrible year and he was on a terribly disfunctional team. Lots of guys have off years, particularly when their team is going nowhere. Now, if I had my way, I would want a guy with Haynesworth ability who gives 110% all the time and feeds the homeless on his days off. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anyone trying to trade that guy and our attempts to draft that guy hasn't gone so well either. So, warts and all, I'll take Haynesworth.

As for the contract, according to the posts upthread, it is very reasonable for the next 3 years. Getting one of the best DTs in the league, even if only for 3 years, is worth it. At some point, the future has to become the present. Do you think this team is built to compete for a Super Bowl for the next 3 years? If not, let me know now so I can finally get off this ride. If so, would Haynesworth dramatically improve that possibility? I don't see how anyone could conclude otherwise. I'm sick of "our time" always being just over the horizon. For once, try and get over the hump.

I may wind up with egg on my face, but I'm going to predict we won't trade for Haynesworth, and especially not a second draft pick. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see what kind of year he has. Maybe next year somebody can pull this thread back up and say "I told you so".

[painekiller]

I hate to say it, but I do not see the current team going to the super bowl in 2011 (the 2010 season). 2012 maybe. Our OL is not a super bowl level OL, IMO.

Every thing I am seeing has the Texans going past an lineman to draft a playmaker.

McClain just stated "No way the Texans draft an offensive lineman in the first round. I don't see them selecting one in the first four rounds. Maybe an OT or C/G." I get his text updates, sign up on the chron.com.

Would Haynesworth help this team yes, when he is in shape and playing. He is also a prima donna, and this team does not seem to be attracted to that type person.