Kubiak officially out, Smith staying?

[Warren]

My preferences:

1. Blow it up -- fire both. Both have had ample opportunity and neither has gotten the job done. Bring in a consultant with experience in building a winning franchise to advise how those organizations are structured and provide significant input on a short list of GM and head coach candidates. Ron Wolf would be at the top of my list for this role; Dan Reeves wouldn't be on it. With his input, hire a GM who will have authority to hire the head coach, subject to veto by McNair.

or

2. Bring in the consultant and with his input hire a GM, who would have authority to fire or retain Kubiak and/or Smith, although if retained Smith would have a reduced role. If Kubiak is retained the new guy would "help" him hire a new defensive coordinator. If not, the new GM would hire the head coach subject to veto by McNair.

[coloradodude]

Chuck,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point.

Racism is alive and well in the good ol US of A. While it's not sheeky sheeky, the media and governmental laws force regular folk to act like racism is non-existent. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You should get to know several black guys that date white chicks and find out their real motivation. You will be shocked. They don't date Mexican (Spanish) chicks on a large scale like the targeted white women despite the serious natural beauty of a Latino woman. (and please don't try the 'white women have lower morals angle' because that would be a form of racism even though you may be white yourself despite Hank Hill's dead on observation)

The anger runs deep.

[mojox]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Chuck,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point.

Racism is alive and well in the good ol US of A. While it's not sheeky sheeky, the media and governmental laws force regular folk to act like racism is non-existent. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You should get to know several black guys that date white chicks and find out their real motivation. You will be shocked. They don't date Mexican (Spanish) chicks on a large scale like the targeted white women despite the serious natural beauty of a Latino woman. (and please don't try the 'white women have lower morals angle' because that would be a form of racism even though you may be white yourself despite Hank Hill's dead on observation)

The anger runs deep.

I know several black guys. Grew up with them, attended college with them. Even work with many as both colleagues and court mates. And yes, about half the black men (and women) I know date white people. Their real motivation springs not from anger, but from their loins and hearts. From the ones I know, this post is bull**** and an example of the virulent, pc, under the radar racism prevalent in society.

[Arky]

This is interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5966936

HOUSTON -- Texans coach Gary Kubiak has two Houston football icons in his corner as he faces his uncertain future.

Former Oilers coach Bum Phillips and ex-Oilers quarterback Dan Pastorini attended Wednesday's practice and urged Texans owner Bob McNair to retain Kubiak despite the team's nosedive this season.

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[chuck]

Originally Posted by Warren

...although if retained Smith would have a reduced role.

As I've said elsewhere I'd really like to establish exactly what his role has been. I don't think we know how much if any influence he had on draft day. I'm not trying to excuse him for his missteps, just trying to gather information.

CD: While there are certainly individuals and institutions that deliberately or unwittingly continue to make race a divisive issue in our society it seems clear to me that our society is evolving, slowly, into a society where race is less and less relevant. As to the "real motivation" behind black guys dating white girls, well, I'm all ears.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by chuck

As I've said elsewhere I'd really like to establish exactly what his role has been. I don't think we know how much if any influence he had on draft day. I'm not trying to excuse him for his missteps, just trying to gather information.

I see your point and maybe I'm assuming too much. My understanding is that Kubiak has to signs off on the Texans' moves (which would mean that Smith would likely be the one initiating those moves), but unless Kubiak nixed some moves that would've been significant I think Smith has to be held responsible (along with Kubiak). I have a hard time believing that Kubiak and Smith disagreed all that much, though.

[coloradodude]

Welcome back 3-4 defense!

I wonder what the guys who wear Mario's jersey every night for pajamas are gonna say now!

Will he be a DE still or...oh no...a LB?

Probably a DE and hopefully Wade will teach him how to play against the run. Yeah I said governor...he sucks against the run.

[Joshua]

Well, I'm now convinced that Kubiak is staying after hearing that Bum and Pastorini were at practice yesterday and voiced their support for him. If you think it is just coincidence that those guys showed up at practice yesterday and had a microphone shoved in front of them, you're crazy. The Texans (and more importantly, McNair) tightly controls all access. This was clearly the first orchestrated PR step by McNair before he announces Gary is returning.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Joshua

Well, I'm now convinced that Kubiak is staying after hearing that Bum and Pastorini were at practice yesterday and voiced their support for him. If you think it is just coincidence that those guys showed up at practice yesterday and had a microphone shoved in front of them, you're crazy. The Texans (and more importantly, McNair) tightly controls all access. This was clearly the first orchestrated PR step by McNair before he announces Gary is returning.

The guy is not a billionaire for nothing....he knows how to work a customer, and the masses. I told my wife when we saw it last night, this was a total PR sham to appeal to the "good ole days"......

Whatever Bob. I will still buy your stupid tickets, your $8 dollar beer, and your crappy $20 T-shirts...... Just freaking win.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by WMH

The guy is not a billionaire for nothing....he knows how to work a customer, and the masses. I told my wife when we saw it last night, this was a total PR sham to appeal to the "good ole days"......

Whatever Bob. I will still buy your stupid tickets, your $8 dollar beer, and your crappy $20 T-shirts...... Just freaking win.

Yeah, but I don't have to like being condescended to and clearly McNair thinks we're too stupid to recognize when someone is blowing smoke up our ass.

I've been a season ticketholder since day 1. By my calculation, I've missed about 5 home games in the franchise's existence. Not only that, I've been eating 1 ticket most weeks for the past 2 years because I added a 3rd seat so I would have one for my son when he gets older. Now, I'm really torn over whether to renew. While I had never really believed some people's complaints that McNair didn't care about winning (I thought he just didn't know what he was doing or had hired the wrong guys, neither of which is uncommon for owners), I now truly think there may be something to this. If winning is priority no. 1, I don't see how you can arrive at McNair's decision (assuming he keeps Kubiak). I've pretty much come to the conclusion that McNair would like to win, but running the business his way, having employees (i.e. coaches and players) that meet his off-the-field criteria, all the while making a tidy profit is more important. Winning would just be gravy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Welcome back 3-4 defense!

I wonder what the guys who wear Mario's jersey every night for pajamas are gonna say now!

Will he be a DE still or...oh no...a LB?

Probably a DE and hopefully Wade will teach him how to play against the run. Yeah I said governor...he sucks against the run.

I see the 3-4 lineup this way with the current guys, of course free agency and the draft will change some of this.

Mario DE, Damione Lewis NT Smith DE

Cushing & Barwin at OLB, and Ryans & Sharpton at MLB

We will need to draft some NT types and add some more OLB talent but in the type 3-4 Wade Phillips runs guys like Marion and Antonio seem to fit the the DE position perfectly.

[NBT]

IF Wade is hired as the DC (HC in waiting?), there is nothing that says he cannot run a 4-3D for awhile. He can then have time to get the 3-4 personnel he wants.

[Fonz the Boss]

No way... If Wade comes in I don't want him to be experimenting with a 4-3. I want him to stick to what he does best and that is to establish a competent 3-4 D. That is the main reason why I wouldn't mind having him here if Kubiak is not fired.