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Old 11-10-2009, 09:39 PM
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Two thing have come out that clearly demonstrate that the reffs blew it.

1. There is a still photo that clearly shows the defender under moats laying out of bounds and his hand/arm is touching the ball. - Ball out of bounds by rule.

2. There is a youTube that has sound. It clearly shows/demonstrates that the reffs blew the ball dead well before the player picked up the ball. - End of play by rule.

Add to all that the reffs said it was out of bounds no one thought anything of it. It took 3-4 replays before the guys in the booth were even sure it wasn't out of bounds.

The first review didn't happen until 5-6 seconds before the 2 Min. warning and Matt is walking back towards the sideline per the coaches request. They were trying to take as much time off the clock as possible because they didn't want PeyPey to have to much time. By the time the booth had enough info, the 2 min. was in play and the Colts had enough time to see enough reviews. Did anyone note that they weren't any to sure about throwing the red flag and took max time to reach a decision? It wasn't near the cut and dried situation some seem to think it was.

These people calling for a quick play and blaming people for not doing it are just too full of themselves thinking that is what they would have done if they were on the field and not on the couch.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:39 PM
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Arky,

At this point, I think it's safe to say that we must agree to disagree. However, there have been reports that Dunta said after the game that several players on the sideline wanted to run the play to avoid a potential challenge. If this is true, your claim that the players didn't think it was close simply isn't true. If you have some quotes from players, please post as I would like to see them.
I'm going from what I heard Winston say on his show on Sportsradio610am this afternoon and just the general sense of no-urgency I observed from the players on the field. If Dunta said there were players on the sidelines wanting to run a play, then all I can say is they should have made their case a little louder. Kubiak never got the message from the field, the sidelines or the coaches booth and didn't feel the need to rush a play. I highly doubt he would just ignore someone in that situation.....

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As for Pereira's ruling, little good it will do us.
Yep, and little good it does yapping about it on an internet forum. The only difference I see in our debate is that some of you place it all on the coach/coaches. I see it as a *team* fail....

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But, yet again, that's the point. People make mistakes and everyone knows it. We didn't have to give them the chance to make it.

Finally, the explanations appear to have evolved some since Sunday. First, Moats didn't fumble, then he was out-of-bounds, and finally, they thought the Colt player touched it while he was out-of-bounds. For the booth to see all of that suggests they were studying the replay like it was the Zapruder film. Again, I think that makes my point. If their final opinion required going through 3 steps; i.e., (1) yes, Moats fumbled, (2) while he was in bounds, but (3) the ball glanced off the defender's arm while he was out-of-bounds, that is just too damn close to leave to chance.
Check out what AJ Burge says on the subject and also look at the reader comments. He makes a case that the officials may have blown it even after review....

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I'm done with this until Pereira has his say...

Edit: Thank you, edo, that's what I've been trying to say.
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