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[Big Texas]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Funny Kubiak said they were in quarters, which is 4 deep.

Maybe that's what he wanted run. However, that is not what they were doing. Quarters covers all four areas deep. Reeves was playing extremely too tight to be playing quarters. Unless this was some sort of (hybrid quarter) maybe man quarter, IDK. What I do know was that if they were indeed running quarters VDavis would not have been NAKED up the seam.

Maybe they called quarters and Pollard decided to do something else. What I do know is that there were only two deep at that time. And both were outta position. Demeco was the closest Texan to VDavis.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Maybe that's what he wanted run. However, that is not what they were doing. Quarters covers all four areas deep. Reeves was playing extremely too tight to be playing quarters.

Just because the play call is quarters doesn't mean that the CB's turn and sprint to their deep quarter regardless of what the play call is. With no other threats to his area of responsibility Reeve's stayed with the threat underneath (maybe incorrectly). I'm going to go ahead and trust what the head coach says as far as the play they were supposed to be running. It appears that Pollard cheated for some unknown reason and perhaps Demeco didn't get deep enough in his drop, but again I don't know what his responsibilities were on that play.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by papabear

Just because the play call is quarters doesn't mean that the CB's turn and sprint to their deep quarter regardless of what the play call is. With no other threats to his area of responsibility Reeve's stayed with the threat underneath (maybe incorrectly). I'm going to go ahead and trust what the head coach says as far as the play they were supposed to be running. It appears that Pollard cheated for some unknown reason and perhaps Demeco didn't get deep enough in his drop, but again I don't know what his responsibilities were on that play.

You are correct here.

Reeves has quarter responsibility. That means his quarter of the field from back to front. If there is nothing in Back then he plays accordingly. Especially against a team like the 49ers who don't have any speed on the outside.

Ryans doesn't need a deep drop in quarters. The safeties are both in the middle of the field so he is playing underneath. He is not responsible for a route down the seem.

It falls %100 on Pollard if they are playing quarters. He cheated toward the sidelines for no reason. SF had no success outside in the passing game and Smith doesn't have the arm to really threaten the boundary anyways. Pollard should have played his coverage and we would have been fine.

Of course it happened 3Xs and I don't know if Kubiak said that was the coverage all three times. So it is very possible that the blame can be spread around all over for the 3 TDs.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by barrett

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Ryans doesn't need a deep drop in quarters. The safeties are both in the middle of the field so he is playing underneath. He is not responsible for a route down the seem.

It falls %100 on Pollard if they are playing quarters. He cheated toward the sidelines for no reason. SF had no success outside in the passing game and Smith doesn't have the arm to really threaten the boundary anyways. Pollard should have played his coverage and we would have been fine.

It's just hard to assign where all the responsibilities/blame lay without knowing how Bush wants them to run the play. "Deep Drop" is relative, and we might be in another one of those cases where some meaning is lost on the internet. I don't know if Demeco is supposed to set up 5 yards or 7 yards deep(just pulling random numbers) on that play. So, what I really meant was a "deeper drop". I think ultimately Pollard takes the brunt of the blame, but it's possible that Demeco should have been a few steps deeper and a step or two to one side forcing Smith to make a much more difficult throw than he had. It's also possible that he did exactly what Bush's scheme called for in that case. We're on the same page though.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by papabear

It's just hard to assign where all the responsibilities/blame lay without knowing how Bush wants them to run the play. "Deep Drop" is relative, and we might be in another one of those cases where some meaning is lost on the internet. I don't know if Demeco is supposed to set up 5 yards or 7 yards deep(just pulling random numbers) on that play. So, what I really meant was a "deeper drop". I think ultimately Pollard takes the brunt of the blame, but it's possible that Demeco should have been a few steps deeper and a step or two to one side forcing Smith to make a much more difficult throw than he had. It's also possible that he did exactly what Bush's scheme called for in that case. We're on the same page though.

That is my point. Demeco may be able to drop deeper depending on what was in front of him and a number of other factors. But Pollard had one responsibility and that was the seam (his quarter). The TD was caught right where he was supposed to be. The right defense was called but improperly executed. And like I said, there is no reason to cheat outside with the 49ers QB and WRs. Their TE might be the fastest player on their offense. They never threatened us deep outside.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by papabear

It's just hard to assign where all the responsibilities/blame lay without knowing how Bush wants them to run the play. "Deep Drop" is relative, and we might be in another one of those cases where some meaning is lost on the internet. I don't know if Demeco is supposed to set up 5 yards or 7 yards deep(just pulling random numbers) on that play. So, what I really meant was a "deeper drop". I think ultimately Pollard takes the brunt of the blame, but it's possible that Demeco should have been a few steps deeper and a step or two to one side forcing Smith to make a much more difficult throw than he had. It's also possible that he did exactly what Bush's scheme called for in that case. We're on the same page though.

Kubiak discussed the play but he did not want to, McClain stay on him. And according to Kubiak.

(on what happened on 49ers' second touchdown coverage-wise) "I'm trying to think of which one it was. We're in quarters. He's (LB DeMeco Ryans) got to go get some body on that kid—that guy's a heck of a player and as athletic a tight end as there is in the National Football League and if you let him run free, there's not many linebackers going to keep up with him so he's got to go get some body on him there, he's got to get some help from (S Bernard) Pollard there and that's just kind of what I'm talking about, the attention to detail, technique of playing that coverage."

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by papabear

Just because the play call is quarters doesn't mean that the CB's turn and sprint to their deep quarter regardless of what the play call is. With no other threats to his area of responsibility Reeve's stayed with the threat underneath (maybe incorrectly). I'm going to go ahead and trust what the head coach says as far as the play they were supposed to be running. It appears that Pollard cheated for some unknown reason and perhaps Demeco didn't get deep enough in his drop, but again I don't know what his responsibilities were on that play.

Demeco was supposed to force the TE to a more outside path, but if you do not hit Davis at the line, he is gone from any LB in the league. And yes Pollard was cheated to the outside, much more than he should have been. Both players made small mistakes which cost the team.

[Big Texas]

I think that we can all agree that that play should have never happened 3 times. Once, maybe, twice unlikely but three times...never.

I have not had the chance to look at all three TD's again because my Comcast DVR, for some odd reason, has had some digital static of some sort, making rewinding or fast forwarding pretty difficult.

However, no matter the case it should never have happened.

But, as it has been stated over and over again, a win is a win.

[papabear]

I don't know if it was on the same play....or if we've even all been discussing the same one, but I haven't seen us in as much under fronts with Cushing jamming the TE right at the line as much as I thought I would this year. On one of the plays Cushing gave Davis a little push once he got off the line (still within the legal bump zone though), but if your not giving a hard jam at the line your not going to re-direct Davis very much like that.

It could be just because they seem to like moving Cushing around a little bit, or it could be that I just incorrectly assumed that was something we would see more of. I'm also willing to admit they could be doing it more than I am noticing as well. It's not the first time I've thought about this, but this is the first time a TE has made us pay for it so much.